“Rain water falling upon the roof of a house flows down to the ground through spouts shaped grotesquely like a tiger’s head. One gets the impression that the water comes from the tiger’s mouth, but in reality it descends from the sky. In the same way the holy teachings that come from the mouths of godly men seem to be uttered by those men themselves, while in reality they proceed from God.”
— Ramakrishna
Jeroen
“To study Buddhism is to study ourselves. To study ourselves is to go beyond ourselves. To go beyond ourselves is to be enlightened by all things. To be enlightened by all things is to free our body and mind, and to free the bodies and minds of others. No trace of enlightenment remains, and this no- trace continues endlessly.”
— Dogen Zenji
Jeroen
It is not so much that we eliminate desires. Rather, it is that we come to render negative desires irrelevant. We come to not be swayed or controlled by our desires.
@paulysotoo Do you only have the affectation of fluent gibberish? 
I speak it at appropriate times. Not everyone understands it. That does not make it helpful. Who are you here to help. Apart from yourself?
lobster
Yesterday I came across @how saying “maybe it’s just another aspect of be here now” and I realised it was the title of Ram Dass’s book, which can these days be downloaded for free in pdf format. So I found it and started reading it in the deep of the night.
“Now, though I am a beginner on the path, I have returned to the West for a time to work out karma or unfulfilled commitment. Part of this commitment is to share what I have learned with those of you who are on a similar journey. One can share a message through telling ‘our-story’ as I have just done, or through teaching methods of yoga, or singing, or making love. Each of us finds his unique vehicle for sharing with others his bit of wisdom.”
— Ram Dass, Be Here Now
I found the passage above near the end of the first part of the book, where Ram Dass talks about his experience going from being a Harvard professor to being a Baba in India. It speaks to why he wrote the book, that in a way each of us on this path have by nature of walking the spiritual roads taken on some karma to serve as a guide for generations who come after us.
Each generation copes with different circumstances, for example I think games are a problem for this generation, and so is the trend for remote contact with gurus through Zoom or Skype, and so are smartphones. There are different things you can write about. So I wonder if Ram Dass may be right to write about ‘commitment or unresolved karma’.
Jeroen
@how said:
Perhaps enlightenment is only limited by our attempts to possess that which we have never been apart from.Is more time needed than the only moment we have ever been able to practice within?
How to describe to a prisoner that the only jailer was themselves?
I was taught that the journey was more akin to straightening one's house. To prepare for the master to return. The elements in the house, workers, maids and more are all doing things which is what ever they want to do. No disciple. No direction. Correcting this behavior bring about order. Then when the house is ready, the master can return.
Of course, this is just a metaphor or allegory or just something to feed the mind to get things working proper again. It will not stretch beyond and go to all limits.
Perhaps enlightenment is not limited by our attempts to seek it? Perhaps it is obscured by our attempts to possess that which we already have? To want some "thing" that is not a thing?
@pegembara
Look again
On the surface, it appears obvious. But accepting yourself to be human goes beyond the physical manifestation. Ordinary human beings do not arise from a Buddha. Buddha arises from the ordinary human being.
Within you, me, all of us, is the potential to rise to Buddha or the fall the Demon King or anywhere between. You have the choice to polish your great gem, allowing it to shine, to brightly radiate it's light and warmth or to bury it, hide it from yourself and from the world.
To accept that you are human is to recognize and accept that you have the responsibility and the freedom to change your karma for the better and thus positively change your bit of the world as you do it.
It is as if you are on a ship being battered and knocked about by the Eight Winds like a cork upon the endless Sea of Suffering. Accepting you are human entails rising the sails and manning the helm, utilizing the Eight Winds (of seeming gain and loss) to navigate your ship across the same "Sea of suffering" to the great "Harbor of Tranquility".
Thus to bring out from within the life states of Bodhissatva or Buddha.
Another, less graphic way to put it is that to recognize you are human is to take control of your life from within, and choose to positively direct your life condition, regardless of exterior appearances/circumstances.
At any rate, I hope I have no thoroughly confused you with my word salad.
Peace to all
I usually take my games pretty lightly, it is more about the fun of it than winning. I remember a while back in a common room with ping pong tables someone asking if I wanted to play and I accepted. We were closely matched and she became really competitive, I wound up winning and she wanted to play again. I declined it wasn't very pleasant. Another time in college playing racquetball I played against a friendly acquantance who was a bit better than me and lost, but had a lot of fun.
person
@Jeroen said:
@person said:
I guess I simply don't see them in the same negative light that you do.It is personal, and connected to where you are on your spiritual journey, I think. I am not a very complex being, I have one centre of consciousness and experience everything full-on, it is an all-or-nothing affair. So for me games were a huge experience, I would throw myself in them one-hundred percent.
Which is also why, having seen them as an extension of samsara in a way that makes the world of suffering unnecessarily more complex, bigger, more seductive — I can’t continue with them even for the undoubted social benefits. It’s like having seen it’s unbeneficial nature, he puts it away and does not pine for them.
This is helpful, I think I was projecting my attitude of preferring synthesis and balance onto you.
@person said:
But its not like all the superior mature people are free from hang ups and misperceptions of the world.There are plenty of fields to have hangups about, that’s for sure. Being spiritual is a great one, trying to be spiritual is such a trap! 🙏
I just go where insight and my inner compass lead me, the fact that I can forget about games and just drop them for extended periods is a good sign I think.
What has worked for me is when I know I have some sensible time set aside for games my mind is more free of them in the mean time. Its the same with treats and indulgent foods, I allow myself a cheat day and have little desire for them throughout the week, eating healthy is much less of a struggle.
person
There is a more interesting game afoot.
It's call life or existence.
That should be your playground.
It is a game too but the stakes are much higher.
Satta sutta- A Being
"Just as when boys or girls are playing with little sand castles:[4] as long as they are not free from passion, desire, love, thirst, fever, & craving for those little sand castles, that's how long they have fun with those sand castles, enjoy them, treasure them, feel possessive of them. But when they become free from passion, desire, love, thirst, fever, & craving for those little sand castles, then they smash them, scatter them, demolish them with their hands or feet and make them unfit for play.
"In the same way, Radha, you too should smash, scatter, & demolish form, and make it unfit for play. Practice for the ending of craving for form.
"You should smash, scatter, & demolish feeling, and make it unfit for play. Practice for the ending of craving for feeling.
"You should smash, scatter, & demolish perception, and make it unfit for play. Practice for the ending of craving for perception.
"You should smash, scatter, & demolish fabrications, and make them unfit for play. Practice for the ending of craving for fabrications.
"You should smash, scatter, & demolish consciousness and make it unfit for play. Practice for the ending of craving for consciousness — for the ending of craving, Radha, is Unbinding."