Selflessness in the Prajna sense allows us tremendous freedom. Freedom from the reference point of the central figured called me. It's not as much of a freedom for or freedom to in the usual sense. People want freedom to do such and such thing or freedom from the oppression. But Dharma offers the potentiality of realizing freedom from ignorance. And ignorance is a particular assumptive axiom that we consider very intuitive and unquestionable.
So, from this pov prior to this actualization or seeing of selflessness, all motivation is tainted by the center. And that's very realistic and honest to admit that. You can't actually be selfless or have unconditional altruism. It is always influenced by the lens of self, mine, me, etc. Nonetheless, we practice the vector towards eliminating non virtue and cultivating virtue. This is paramount on a path, with a self, leading towards the recognition of selflessness.
In a very pragmatic sense, selflessness frees up pretty much all strategies and ways of being which typical occupy our existence. You're just free, but not only free, you have tremendous energy. That energy has a communicative urge, it demands expression and response. Thus compassion is essentially the out pouring of a vacuum (selflnessness).
It's somewhat remarkable that this is a natural process, which showcases the structure of non delusion. i mean it could of been something else entirely. What if instead of virtue and altruism, we got meanness and anger?
But it isn't the case. It just happens that the core of reality, is actually very tender, loving, and joyful.
the irony and something one can never really wrap one's mind around, is without a center, there is no circumference. so without self, there is actually no other. And yet without a self, the "otherness" really shines. This means we never particularly saw others or situations clearly from their own point of view. Rather, we only saw from the filter of ourselves. With the barrier or filter gone, the shocking presentation of otherness becomes very obvious. There actually is whole worlds and whole beings apart from myself. This is remarkable. And simultaneously they are inseparable from this whole arising, which includes the self as in this particular individual and the particular other individuals as well. Both are mutually accepted and completely coreless, yet here I am, and here you are.
I apologize for rifting, just something to write to past the time. Drive by musings as they say.
Love in any sense isn't a choice for people. It is somewhat a strategy to well attain union. We are somewhat victims of love so to speak. But selflessness marks the capacity to choose love, in any circumstance and situation.
That's probably the oddest thing of all. You know it just completely turns upside down normal logic. You know people have to deserve love. Or there has to be some kind of exchange. OR even preferences. Or love is something that just happens by chance. But actually its a choice at that point. always a choice, always available.
And if you have it available all the time, well you then tend to love others. It's really strange, really. I mean i am speaking as someone who particularly doesn't enjoy being overly emotional and sentimental. But its really like that. You are forced to love.
Anyways some random thoughts from a npc. much love.
taiyaki
So it seems that my spiritual journey is not yet over. I found a trove of Advaita Vedanta books on the internet, a big pile of pdf’s and I couldn’t resist reading through some of them. Among the books were some of Tony Parsons’ volumes and after trying a few other authors I decided to try him next.
Tony Parsons teaching has been called uncompromising. He had an experience of unity in which his ‘I’ disappeared, and since then he has been speaking from nonduality, the oneness of all that is. He holds that since there is only That Which Is, the body and mind are part of this, and so there is no such thing as separateness or free will. That the doer is running on a predetermined track and the I is an illusion.
But he also says that the thing that moves us is love, that death, life, desire and fear are all about love. It made sense to me, I found it a powerful insight because it suddenly became clear that a lot of the things I desired and feared were about love or losing love. I feared being a cripple because I would no longer be loveable or capable of looking after myself. I desired having more money because I thought it would make me more loveable.
Behind this is an image of what we see as what we would like to love, and what we would have to be in order to be loveable. This is formed by what we tell ourselves, what our lives lead us to conclude. In a way your lovers form your image of the ideal man, of what they respect and find attractive in a partner.
You try to conform to that, until you no longer can. It’s a form of giving.
Jeroen
I guess the ox herding teachings might be Chan's equivalent descriptions of your elephant/rabbit & monkey progressions along the path toward suffering's cessation.
https://terebess.hu/english/oxherd5.html is one description of them.
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@Jeroen said:
Well, my experience of samatha was that it was restful for short periods but not an agent of change within.
I have sat formally in Serene Reflection Meditation, at least twice a day, for the last 50 years.
In that time period I have met a wide range of practitioners from those who have stuck to just one meditative form, to those who have tried a plethora of alternative forms.
What they almost all seem to eventually discover, is that the true obstacles to their spiritual journeys turned out to really be about themselves, not the forms of practice that they were involved with.
Whatever fosters
compassion, love and wisdom
from what otherwise might be be
greed, hatred and delusion
is enough.
Only the ego, the selfish self or an identity's storyline, says there should be something more.
how
“Let's see if we can determine what the problem really is. What we will reveal is a belief that things are not all going well. And when we look at this to find out the reason for it, we will discover that you identify with death. You identify with something that doesn't stay, that doesn't have a long life. You fell in love with time. You have fallen in love with objects, with ideas that are in the service of what passes by. This is how problems arise. This is how confusion has crept into your Being.”
— Mooji
Jeroen
@Jeroen said:
“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.”
— Albert Einstein
I'm not sure how that applies.....
Evaluating one’s progress is not a bad thing to do.
If you insist on looking at this in terms of good/bad, then I have to say it's neither good nor bad. Nothing bad, will result, yes, but nothing good can result, either.
I’m generally not in favour of spiritual practices which tell one just to keep repeating something for ever.
It's not "forever". Enlightenment allows you to leave that raft behind
@Jeroen said:
I certainly admire your persistence @IdleChater … 20 years of one practice is not something I have been able to manage, I get thoughts of progress and then I tend to evaluate and change direction every few years at least.
And that's a trap. Contemplating progress in your practice is a huge distraction. It's akin to watching grass grow, but slower. Do the practice for the sake of the practice. Make the practice a goal in and of itself. Samadhi doesn't happen overnight. The path illustrated in the Thanka, represents a lifetime, or more, of practice. So don't think of progress.
And the thought of samatha as a complete practice is interesting too.
Interesting? How so?
@Kotishka said:
First month in my new flat. I have some more space for meditation practice, but at what cost (rent $$$$)Hahaha
Yeah I know what you mean… I got a cheap rented flat when I was first living on my own with a steady job and ended up staying there for 11 years, but I should really have bought something back then. Houses just keep getting more expensive, and a mortgage although it looks like a big responsibility is one of only a few possibilities for a really good investment.
Jeroen
Much of our planning is like waiting to swim in a dry ravine.
Many of our activities are like housekeeping in a dream.
Delirious with fever, one does not recognise the fever.
Paltrul Rinpoche
Bunks
It’s certainly true that back in the days when I played Dungeons and Dragons with school and Uni buddies in the late 80’s and early 90’s it was very much a male nerdy pastime… it would go together with an interest in computers and technology, and a lot of the young guys who played were rather socially awkward, as was I, I just happened to be better at hiding it than most.
I don’t think that’s entirely true anymore though. YouTube shows like Critical Role are helping to repopularise the game, and it seems to be becoming a totally acceptable hobby, slanted a bit towards gamers and actors. Last time I played was in Amsterdam at a little mini convention a few years ago, and there was a good mixed crowd.
If you do want to open a thread on social anxiety @person I will certainly have a few posts to contribute, for me this has been an important limitation in my life which as little as 15 years ago I was still working actively to overcome. Now that I’m past 50 years of age it is no longer as urgent, but for me being social is like a muscle which atrophies with disuse, and if too much time passes without a lot of social activity I feel it becoming more of an effort.
Jeroen