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Pope Francis I
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Heavy Metal DhammaWe(s)t coast, Canada Veteran
So the new pope has been elected: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-21777747
He's first non-European pope in over 1000 years!
May he lead the Roman Catholic world with wisdom.
He's first non-European pope in over 1000 years!
May he lead the Roman Catholic world with wisdom.
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Also curious, I've seen some sources call the new Pope Francis I. I don't believe that is correct. John Paul I was just John Paul until he was succeeded by JP II. Also, there have been many, many popes with unique names --such as Pope Hilarius from the days before the Bishop of Rome took on a different name from his own given name. (See PAPAL NAME in Wikipedia.)
Viva el Papa!
I'm wondering now about the guy's sense of humor, that is, his propensity to laugh at himself (and not to take himself or things too seriously).
On a different note, speaking of papal names, no one is allowed to become Pope Peter II, for that would signal the end of the world!
Despite his hard line on many subjects which was almost inevitable we may be in for some surprises. The first is that he has announced an open press conference without pre-prepared questions, something Benedict avoided like the plague.
Wish the Pope was. :coffee:
I'm not sure if I am joking or not.
Let us all settle in for a chat.
One of my most favorite Catholic pilgrimmage sites is St. Paul's Outside the Walls in Rome, where they have round "plaques" about four feet in diameter for each of the Popes with the number of Years, Months, and Days of their office inscribed below. They surround the basilica's inside at a height of about 16-20 feet, and the one portraying the current pope is illumined by a spotlight. Quite the cult of popes!
I was just in Rome in October and know that the Romans will be glad to have a pope of Italian extraction. A German Pope? NO!
Anyway, Here's a current source saying (despite the Y2K "bug" habit) that the new Pope will NOT be called Francis the First unless and until a second pope also should take "Francis" as his name. That stands to reason!
http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-vatican-pope-francis-name-20130313,0,1309501.story
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The First Words of Pope Francis (Delivered in Latin)
Brothers and sisters good evening.
You all know that the duty of the Conclave was to give a bishop to Rome. It seems that my brother Cardinals have gone almost to the ends of the earth to get him… but here we are. I thank you for the welcome that has come from the diocesan community of Rome.
First of all I would like to say a prayer for our Bishop Emeritus Benedict XVI. Let us all pray together for him, that the Lord will bless him and that our Lady will protect him.
Our Father…
Hail Mary…
Glory to the Father…
'A journey of brotherhood in love, of mutual trust'
And now let us begin this journey, the Bishop and the people, this journey of the Church of Rome which presides in charity over all the Churches, a journey of brotherhood in love, of mutual trust. Let us always pray for one another. Let us pray for the whole world that there might be a great sense of brotherhood. My hope is that this journey of the Church that we begin today, together with the help of my Cardinal Vicar, may be fruitful for the evangelization of this beautiful city.
And now I would like to give the blessing. But first I want to ask you a favour. Before the Bishop blesses the people I ask that you would pray to the Lord to bless me – the prayer of the people for their Bishop. Let us say this prayer – your prayer for me – in silence.
'I will now give my blessing to you and to the whole world'
[Immediately afterwards Pope Francis gave his first blessing Urbi et Orbi – To the City and to the World.]
I will now give my blessing to you and to the whole world, to all men and women of good will.
Brothers and sisters, I am leaving you. Thank you for your welcome. Pray for me and I will be with you again soon… We will see one another soon.
Tomorrow I want to go to pray to the Madonna, that she may protect Rome.
Good night and sleep well!
Forgive me sndymorn I have 'sinned', it is ten minutes since my last confession . . .
I do know that the internet is a scandalmonger of the first degree, though.
I do know that the internet is a scandalmonger of the first degree, though.
All of this about Argentinian journalist Horacio Verbitsky's book, El Silencio: de Paulo VI a Bergoglio: las relaciones secretas de la Iglesia con la ESMA (Silence: from Paulo VI to Bergoglio: secret relations of the Church with the ESMA) is mentioned in the current Wikipedia article on the newly elected Pope. But have you read the actual facts presented in the book?
I thought there were 3 considerations about spreading rumours:
1) Is it true?
Well I can't remember the other two right away.
Well, found it Googling Socrates and rumors:
http://lifelessons4u.wordpress.com/2009/06/12/spreading-rumors/
1. No, there's no way for me to know if the accusations are 100% true since I wasn't there (I wasn't even born yet), but the accusations themselves are real enough.
2. Yes, I'm saying something that's not good about Bergoglio.
3. Yes, I think it's useful that people look into this, as well as his (in my opinion, harmful) stance on things like abortion, same-sex marriage, contraception, gay adoptions, etc., because he's such a prominent and influential figure (i.e., the pope), and bigotry, injustice, and oppression, if and where they exist, should be exposed and fought against. And I'd much rather be wrong and have to admit it and apologize than potentially be right and not say anything so as not to ruffle any feathers.
Exultate! Jubilate!
Gaudio!
The brashness of your first two points speaks for itself and I won't go there! But I will take issue with your third posting of points. To me these matters are entirely a matter of conscience. No church, no union, no government, no employer can make anyone do anything against his or her conscience. The conscience of the individual is the final arbiter. What a church or church leader pronounces on abortion, same-sex marriage, gay or zombie adoptions, or what-have-you: are merely opinions. There is only one authority (literally, "source") and that is the heart, centered in bliss and secure only in its own Truth --not the borrowed truth of another. People let themselves get hoodwinked; that is their problem. Please don't blame it on some boogie man!
The fact of the matter, the doctrine of Papal Infallibility in matters of faith and morals Notwithstanding, people are very selective about the ways they incorporate church teachings into their lives. I'd venture that more often than not they use them as ammunition against family members and (in the case of Americans) politicians, than as scruples that burden their lives with needless cares, pains, and burdens.
Also, I love America, but we are so narrow compared to the Europeans.
We "Catholics" have much to learn from each other and cutting off the channels of communication is the wrong approach to the pursuit of understanding, goodwill, and world peace. I am using the word catholic in the sense of Broad and Universal, such as in the phrase, "His tastes in music are catholic, ranging from Baroque to Reggae, from Bluegrass to Rock n' Roll, from classical to jazz..."
Freedom of thought and action only exists when everyone is free to express themselves.
what I mean't by fascinating is US , the people here, and how our old roots and traditions still effect us and cause us to discuss about it.
It's so silly that these silly old men (many of whom sound like old hens) make all these pronouncements on human sexuality. I mean, what are their qualifications? What are their experiences? I really have almost always believed that good church people like my mom, a convert from Lutheranism to Catholicism, just gave all those pronouncements lip-service only. My mother used to say the most incredible things about how sex was not to be enjoyed but was only for making babies. But it was just lip service, and we kids knew it wasn't for real.
Also, married Catholics had to stay together forever, whereas a Priest could just quit. Why were the standards higher for the laity?
Also, at the time I came along there was no real mysticism in the church, only an enforced rigidity (which still survives, though less intact, today). Sure, the church smelled nice and there was an aura of the sacred, but the teachings of the Christian Mystics lay dormant. In point of fact, during all of the nineteenth and most of the twentieth centuries, the time-honored contemplative traditions in the monasteries had been forgotten and the monks thought they were just there to do penance for the rest of the Christian community.
So, there are lots of things to do to let the light back in to the church. But it cannot be done overnight, as the light would overwhelm the denizens of the church in much the same way as it did the cave dwellers in Plato's Republic when first they stepped out into the clear light of Day after many years' confinement in the darkness below. The thing to remember is you gotta measure the light's quality from the inside and not to judge its usefulness from the outside looking in. It may look too dark for service, but it's at the brightness allocated for its time.
benedictus qui venit
Blessed is he who comes [in the Lord's name]
I therefore ask why it seems to be that merely because this is a religious organisation, and not one based on a commercial level, theis organisation seems to prevent itself as a law unto itself, unaccountable and beyond public reproach?
The whole thing stinks.
I'm an ex-Catholic @Nirvana, and please don't even try to dignify my post with a response.
There is Nothing - but NOTHING - you can say which in my mind would do a single solitary microscopic thing to make the Top-rank members of this organisation, even remotely admirable in my eyes.
"OMG. Look at these bright red, hysterical "headlines" !!
It's finally happened folks, the HP just lost every shred of legitimacy it had left (and that's not much!) and went the National Enquirer route with this one!
Gee, where is the alien baby and two headed frog story?
OF COURSE the (new) Pope is upholding all the oldest and most controversial rules and religious laws!
I mean really- What did you expect?? Liberace reincarnated? Pope Paul Lynde II?
How sensational and utterly ridiculous these headlines are....
I'm f*cking EMBARRASSED to tell people I read the HuffPo. GROW UP"
Of course it went to pending, most likely won't see the light of day. But whatever.
I find it interesting that I see a touch of the same anti-Pope hysteria here, too....
If you don't agree with the Catholic church, and can't abide their right to uphold their own religious laws and rules -- no matter HOW archaic or politically incorrect they may be -- well by golly, Don't Be A Catholic.
I'm sure there are plenty of people out there who find the religious aspect of Buddhism and its rules pretty archaic and politically incorrect, no?
It's odd how they have such hope and devotion towards this man who they never knew existed till today.