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Back Pain

I woke up with pretty bad back pain in my middle back. Any tips? I took an advil and am trying to have a straight back.

Thanks!

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  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Go to a chiropractor, and do it sooner rather than later.
  • VastmindVastmind Memphis, TN Veteran
    Jeffrey, I'm not a back doctor...I'm a love doctor.... hahaha

    Seriously though...see a Doc if it doesn't go away. What did you
    do yesterday? Do you think you hurt it?
    Jeffrey
  • I have off and on chronic back pain from muscle spasms and a pinched nerve. Welcome to the club.

    In my case, it's been my observation that it goes away in a week or so no matter what I do or what specialist I see. In the meantime, heating pad and mild pain killers and taking it easy on the back relieve the discomfort a bit.

    Jeffreysndymorn
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    Vastmind said:

    Jeffrey, I'm not a back doctor...I'm a love doctor.... hahaha

    Seriously though...see a Doc if it doesn't go away. What did you
    do yesterday? Do you think you hurt it?

    Dear doctor love:lol: , I have to conclude that I did something in my sleep like tensing. I did do .5 mile jog and 1 mile walk, but my back was straight and I do this exercise weekly.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    vinlyn said:

    Go to a chiropractor, and do it sooner rather than later.

    hmm my doctor I pay out of pocket rather than medicaid, so I'm not sure if he would be able to hook me up with a medicaid chiropractor or if that is even possible.

    My grandfather was a doctor and he never trusted Osteopaths and Chiropractors so I would have to open my mind to this idea.
  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator
    Just as there are good doctors and bad doctors, there are good osteos and good chiros and good naturopaths...and there are bad ones. You have to feel them out and meet with them to see if you trust them and how you feel. A chiro who also knows sports medicine has been a godsend for me, and has overall saved me money in doing things I didn't need to be doing but medical doctors told me I did. They aren't always right. No one is.

    I randomly get back pain issues. I get sciatica on my left side and it's horrid. Exercises given to me by both a chiro and a yoga teacher (similar exercises) have helped a lot. Something as simple as hanging by your hands from an open door (make sure it won't swing closed!) can help quite a lot. Also so can laying on your back with your butt near the wall on a folded up blanket and your legs straight up on the wall. It's very relaxing and can take some of the pressure off your back, depending what is causing it.

    That said, unless it is severe (and that varies by person) I don't see anyone for random back pain until it's been more than 3-4 days. I usually know what caused it and thus have an easier time managing it myself. Most of the time the doctor will tell you to take OTC pain meds and rest. Often times it's caused by sleeping wrong, twisting wrong when you didn't even know it, stepping funny or even sometimes a random virus. Back pain is one of the most common problems doctors see patients for, so (in my experience) it is best not to go immediately. A chiro could probably help right away. A doctor, not so much.
    Jeffrey
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    You and I do it quite differently, Karasti. I find I am better off going early on, because in my case it tends to steadily go downhill without treatment.
  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator
    Yeah, I think it helps to know what the cause might be and your triggers and such. I actually avoid the doctor (of any type) unless I know it to be something serious. Right now my back is hurting but I spent 6 hours picking berries, so it's normal for me. I took some advil and it'll be fine in a day or 2. Sometimes I tweak it working out and I know immediately that it'll be a pain for a few days. If it got worse I would most certainly go in but after the 2nd day normally it gets steadily better. Some of this is also because of where I live, and the fact that seeing the ER doctors might be worse than seeing no one, LOL. My family doctor is great, but we have nothing but the ER on nights and weekends and they are horrible!! So, I avoid them unless it's really serious.

  • ZeroZero Veteran
    I've found that being flexible enough to touch your toes easily at least helps take the strain off - better if you can touch your forehead to your knees.
    Then weight training exercise on your back - deadlift, bent over rows, weighted rowing machine, good mornings serve to strengthen the muscles, better posture and decrease twinges.
    Cod liver oil and other supplements also help.

    The old folk used to talk of back pain caused by a muscle knot - sometimes when the body is warm and sweating and there is a chilly wind, the muscle ceases in a section - the cure is a hot water bottle over the area for 15 minutes to warm it up and then a special knemassage to kneed the muscle out - after about 10 minutes of hard massage, there is a click and the pain is gone... or if you don't get it straight away, you may need to go for a few sessions - consult your local elder.
    Jeffrey
  • For those with sciatica:

    After years of lifting amplifiers and sleeping on floors in my 20s, my lower back has become very weak. Sciatica and I have a very intimate relationship, and opnly in the past couple years have I discovered the only remedy.

    A few years ago I had it so bad that it literally took me two hours to crawl slowly and carefully to the bathroom-- which was only six feet away from my bed. One false move and I felt like I had gotten tasered (at least what I imagine it to feel like).

    Sleeping on a heating pad does not help, sleeping in bed on your back, side, or stomach does not help. Sitting in a low chair makes it worse. Walking seems to help (or at least not make it worse), while remaining immobile actually worsens it.

    [Disclaimer: I am not a physician, etc. but this comes from my own experience from sciatica...]

    My solution for myself: sleep (or attempt to sleep) on the floor, ON the side that hurts. Lie there in a not-quite fetal position with a pillow folded up between the thighs so as to keep the thighs parted at roughly a 45 degree angle. If I take care of it as soon as I detect it flaring up, lying on the floor like that for six to eight hours works wonders. However, it also hurts like hell. But I've knocked it out every single time the past couple years it has flared up, whereas before it might go on for two to four weeks of me limping in pain.

    The only way I discovered it was through desperation-- I tried everything else. I guess sleeping that way places some pressure elsewhere taking it off the inflammed nerve, giving it time to actually heal.

    I've never gone to the doctor for it, even though I work in a hospital! Go figure!
    Jeffrey
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited July 2013
    Thanks, everyone. Day 2. :-/ My mom says it is probably not a slipped disc like she had otherwise the pain would 'shoot me to the moon'.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Yes, Jeffrey, if it were a slipped disc you would be crying and screaming. Slipped discs often result in major surgery since they can affect -- sometimes permanently -- control of bodily functions.

    I will tell you a funny story. I have had periodic lower back pain for many years now. I had to have kidney surgery in early June. Two weeks before the surgery I began having a major bout of back pain that was so bad that I feared being on the operating table and then unconscious on my back in bed after the surgery could result in a slipped disc. My chiropractor did x-rays to assure there was just "the usual", even though this particular episode of back pain was worse than usual. His prediction was that after surgery my back would be in bad shape, but that I was not in danger of slipping a disc. After I was fully awake from surgery I realized that my back felt fine...in fact better than it had in years...and has stayed that way for almost 2 months now. Ya never know.

    Do a Google search for herniated disc, and check out some of the better medical sites (not the ones that are advertising something; use sites like webmd).

    Jeffrey
  • Hi Jeffrey- sorry to hear about your pain ugh:( I recently had mid pain back as well- very intense - I finally got a serious massage (I've had bad experiences w chiropractors so I prefer a good sports massage therapist)- he worked on my SOAS muscle ( in front of body) - as well as the back.. I had been doing a lot of sitting and leaning over which he figured tightened up the SOAS in the front. I also stretch by laying on a large ball now to stretch the front of body. Best wishes!!
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    I was doing crunches as part of my excercise routine but I haven't done them for at least a week as I did cardio this time at the gym.

    But the machine is a bench you lie back on and there is a part that you hold onto that forces you to do the real crunch with a flat back rather than spasm or flail to complete the repetition Basically no bouncing. Maybe for 4 weeks straight I was doing that. I might ask the employees of the gym next time I go if they have experience.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    I'm a little curious how you can pay to go to a gym, but aren't willing to pay to go to a doctor.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited July 2013
    I can pay a doctor vinylyn. I just mention that because I don't want to waist my money. I have never been to a chiropractor and did not grow up with our family seeing them. So if I am giving them 100 dollars or whatever each appointment I really have to think about that. I know I am getting a MAJOR boost to my health by exercise, but I am not sure I want to see a chiropractor. Imagine someone on the forum said their backpain was cured by eating tiger whiskers and the whiskers were 15 dollars a monthly bottle.

    My analogy isn't that good so I have to explain it! Also my analogy is a strawman as I am just trying to illustrate rather than argue. Like the whiskers I am not super confident in the chiropractor. And there is considerable expense. If the chiropractor doesn't work I will lose the 100 dollars which I could have otherwise bought exciting things such as underwaer, a shirt, a timer, and a night light (just my most recent shopping).
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Jeffrey said:

    I can pay a doctor vinylyn. I just mention that because I don't want to waist my money. I have never been to a chiropractor and did not grow up with our family seeing them. So if I am giving them 100 dollars or whatever each appointment I really have to think about that. I know I am getting a MAJOR boost to my health by exercise, but I am not sure I want to see a chiropractor. Imagine someone on the forum said their backpain was cured by eating tiger whiskers and the whiskers were 15 dollars a monthly bottle.

    My analogy isn't that good so I have to explain it! Also my analogy is a strawman as I am just trying to illustrate rather than argue. Like the whiskers I am not super confident in the chiropractor. And there is considerable expense. If the chiropractor doesn't work I will lose the 100 dollars which I could have otherwise bought exciting things such as underwaer, a shirt, a timer, and a night light (just my most recent shopping).

    Well, first, if a chiropractor is charging you $100 for an adjustment, you're going to the wrong chiropractor. Depending on location, it's more like half that amount.

    This discussion is about back pain, not straw men.

    If you don't want to go to a chiropractor, that's fine. I'm just telling you that when I walk out of a chiropractor's office, my back is always better.

    Whatever you decide to do, I hope your back improves and you become pain free.

    Jeffrey
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    vinylyn I am confused by the "topic is not strawmen". My analogy explained my lack of faith in chiropractors thus it is relevant. Thanks for the well wishing. Lack of faith is not the same thing as MIStrust, but I would have to carefully think about the decision rather than just doing whatever a guy on the net says. I respect you of course yet nonetheless I will mull the decision over. A lot of the people I have talked to say that their back pain just went away. If I get better I am going to try the stretching like zero mentions. I used to be able to put my head to my knee.
  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator
    @vinlyn reminded me, it's good to be aware if you ever have other symptoms with back pain. Kidney problems and infections will present with a deep lower back pain, and if accompanied by fever or other symptoms (pain when using the bathroom is another one) make sure you see a doctor with that.
    @vinlyn is it possible whatever your kidney problem was, was what was causing or at least contributing to your back pain? Interesting.

    @Jeffrey it's good to try new things, too. The chiro I saw after my knee injury and surgery is also a sports medicine doctor. I didn't see him for adjustments. I saw him to evaluate my body structure and see if there was something going on that contributed to my knee injury because I have problems with my hip and my foot on the same side. He gave me exercises to do at home and a lot of information, which was very helpful. I never would have gotten the information, and the exercises, from the normal doctor or the PT department at the hospital. If it doesn't get better, it most certainly doesn't hurt to call and ask questions. You could also consider just going for a massage. Maybe for you it would be better to spend $50 on that than a doctor appointment.
    Jeffrey
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    edited July 2013
    No, karasti. The problem with the 2nd or 3rd vertebrae up has shown up on repeated x-rays. Sooner or later the back issue will return...it always does.

    Jeffrey's problem may be a very temporary thing, or some underlying problem. Particularly if it is an underlying problem, certain exercises could do just the opposite of what should be done.
    Jeffrey
  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator
    Thanks @vinlyn

    I didn't mean to say Jeffrey should get exercises to do. Just that the information I got about my bone and joint structure was invaluable and based on that, I was able to get exercises that for my problem, were far more helpful in preventing future injuries than a normal doctor ever would have given. Not only did it help my knee recovery and in prevention but the hip and foot problems have greatly decreased as well, and all it took was 2 visits to the sports chiro. Well worth it!
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    karasti said:

    Thanks @vinlyn

    I didn't mean to say Jeffrey should get exercises to do. Just that the information I got about my bone and joint structure was invaluable and based on that, I was able to get exercises that for my problem, were far more helpful in preventing future injuries than a normal doctor ever would have given. Not only did it help my knee recovery and in prevention but the hip and foot problems have greatly decreased as well, and all it took was 2 visits to the sports chiro. Well worth it!

    No, my comment about being careful about exercises when you are having back pain is from an earlier message in this thread. You're right on target though...how does one know which exercises will be helpful and which will be harmful. For example, with my particular problem, stretching forward (as in bending forward) is generally helpful, while stretching back only increases a gap between vertebrae which is the root of the problem. Without an x-ray it would impossible to tell that.

    Zero
  • wrathfuldeitywrathfuldeity Veteran
    edited July 2013
    If it is stress related...perhaps jump in a flotation tank...its a zero gravity (which also might be good for bulging disc issues), warm environment...it takes abit to adjust to it and get your body settled down and you kind of have to do a scan mindfulness of tensions that you become aware of...and this also takes some time...but work through it. The first time I floated for 3 hours...it was the first time I'd ever remembered being soooo relaxed. In a way its kind of liking hitting the reset button...an idea is that you are resetting your natural state of homeostasis when you can attain a deep state of relaxation.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Another good thing that is pretty safe is swimming.
    lobster
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran
    Swimming. Safe and back supported. Good plan.

    Is mindful swimming possible? [lobsterian tendencies aroused] Qi ong and yoga for prevention is my choice. :thumbup: Hope you feel better . . .
  • ThinGentlementThinGentlement Explorer
    edited July 2013
    Another +1 for the swimming. I'm a convert to it, it's about as good as exercise as you can get, even with a body that does not always want to behave, as mine often is - particularly my back.

    I especially love the feeling of gliding through the water, supported and free. It's very soothing, as well as worthy exercise.
    MaryAnne
  • ZeroZero Veteran
    Jeffrey said:


    If I get better I am going to try the stretching like zero mentions.

    vinlyn said:


    Jeffrey's problem may be a very temporary thing, or some underlying problem. Particularly if it is an underlying problem, certain exercises could do just the opposite of what should be done.

    I agree with exercising caution and consulting a doctor to make absolutely sure as far as possible that a good diagnosis is made.
    The wrong treatment could severely exacerbate the issue.
    Jeffrey
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    It's still a bit present but it has improved greatly. It's not bothersome other than wondering if there is an underlying problem or just a spasm that will just blip off of the radar. Thanks for all the advice.
    Zero
  • ZeroZero Veteran
    get better soon
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