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... was watching the news ... should not really ... In Russia gay pride marchers attacked by counter demos of concerned Churchists.
In Turkey rubber bullets fired on people with rainbow flags.
Is Isis the well known state of terror still throwing gay couples off buildings?
One day these instituionalised haters will be knocking on the door of people with the 'wrong' Buddhist Umbrella.
Gay Pride. Black Power. Religious Freedom. Womens Movement. Onward.
' We can no longer pretend that this aspect of human behavior - homosexuality - is something shameful and if we ignore it long enough it will simply go away.'
..."There is nothing intrinsically wrong with sex. What is wrong is attachment and slavery to it, on believing that indulgence in sex can bring ultimate happiness.." -- Ven Dr K Sri Dhammananda (1919-2006)
How does he know? He's never tried it. He's probably mellowed out on it by now.
I wouldn't let it get to you. Of course there is gay sex going on in the Tibetan traditions.
@robot said:
How does he know? He's never tried it. He's probably mellowed out on it by now.
I wouldn't let it get to you. Of course there is gay sex going on in the Tibetan traditions.
It didn't stop me from joining a Tibetan sangha. But it made my decision somewhat harder.
@robot said:
How does he know? He's never tried it. He's probably mellowed out on it by now.
I wouldn't let it get to you. Of course there is gay sex going on in the Tibetan traditions.
Ahem. He's never tried it that you know of. After all, at one time he was a typical hormone driven teenager, even if he was a reincarnated monk.
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DavidA human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First NationsVeteran
Great news! I don't care who is fucking who and who is dating who. I'm not so curious. I don't like gossips and I have enough daze in my personal life.
After all we are just consumers. In my country, Finland, homosexuality is not such a big deal (neither is religion) as in many other countries. The gay icon Tom of Finland is our national pride!
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federicaSeeker of the clear blue sky...Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubtModerator
Yes, but 'consumption' isn't the point.
I'm not sure what the relevance is....
This is about Gay marriage being legal in the USA. Many Hardened Christians are objecting for all manner of reasons which, under strict analysis, actually have nothing to do with the legal rationale behind the Legislation.
You are extremely fortunate to live in such a liberally-minded country, but in doing so, you are naturally 'out of touch' with what a radical and upsetting situation this is, for many who see their set values being eroded and threatened. It's a difficult concept to wrap your head around, when the whole thing is so alien and far-removed...
Take it easy and please don’t bully me, federica! And I'm not the only one who has used the f-word here
“Consumption is a major concept in economics and is also studied by many other social sciences. Economists are particularly interested in the relationship between consumption and income, and therefore in economics the consumption function plays a major role.”
Milton Friedman is among the most recognised American economists along with John Maynard Keynes. Friedman’s economic liberalism has had a major impact on American economics and government policies. For instance, he was an advisor to Ronald Reagan. Logically, he was a keen same-sex marriage supporter. So it was about time for equal marriage rights as a normal convention of American freedom and politics!
We cannot separate ourselves from the political and cultural background we are living in. Everything is associated to everything.
Should I explain more? A consumer is a basic unit in our culture. There are not really individuals but demographics and everything is serving economics including oil and the war industry. Enough freedom, enough rights -> happy consumers -> healthy economics. So it's not only love.
Tom of Finland was an artist and the video was an example of commercialisation of his work. Maybe he wouldn't like it.
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federicaSeeker of the clear blue sky...Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubtModerator
The main reason this legislation was passed was to recognise that any couple of any persuasion or gender, had the right to the same social standards as a heterosexual couple wishing to marry. This was sexual discrimination, and as such, against the law.
And please (Moderator) note: I wasn't bullying you. As a Moderator, I deliberately avoid using such behaviour.
If I make a request however, it is more advisable to accede to it.
Choose your terms carefully, and watch your language.
needless and inappropriate foul language is unacceptable.
@nakazcid have you bothered to see how his opinion has evolved since that statement 15 years ago? Thankfully, people are allowed to change.
He interviewed with...Larry King I think, last year and said that if no one is being hurt, gay marriage is ok. He still believes it is wrong for monks to engage in gay sex but if I remember right that still has more to do with the monk precepts against all sex than something inherently bad or wrong with gay people.
This is what he said from an abc news article:
The Dalai Lama has joined the growing chorus of people who support gay marriage, the exiled Tibetan religious leader said during his latest visit to the United States.
"If two people - a couple - really feel that way is more practical, more sort of satisfaction, both sides fully agree, then OK," he said.
Also, the Dalai Lama isn't the head of Tibetan Buddhism, do don't judge all of a large tradition just based on words he says. He is the head of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism. In addition to that there is the Nyingma school, the Kagyu school...and at least one more maybe more that I cannot think of right now.
@karasti said:
nakazcid have you bothered to see how his opinion has evolved since that statement
Last time I checked into it was five years ago, long before that 2014 interview. I had no particular reason to believe he had changed position, and the article I linked to was the first result of a search on the subject. A more refined search turned up the recent Larry King interview. So thanks for clarifying that, but why the accusatory tone?
Sorry, I wasn't intending to sound accusatory. I guess it just bothers me when people admit they are using really old information and haven't taken the time to see if something has changed. It might be true that some religious authorities never change their view no matter what, but that isn't true of all of them, thank goodness It was quite heavily covered in the news last spring when it happened. To clarify, it bothered me because not only did you form your opinion of HHDL based on old information but you used it to judge the entirety of the Tibetan tradition.
Some food for thought: (Slightly off topic....Just thinking out loud)
If gay marriage became legal (common place) in parts of Asia where 'Arranged- Marriages' are common place ..What impact would this have on the local gay communities?
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... was watching the news ... should not really ... In Russia gay pride marchers attacked by counter demos of concerned Churchists.
In Turkey rubber bullets fired on people with rainbow flags.
Is Isis the well known state of terror still throwing gay couples off buildings?
One day these instituionalised haters will be knocking on the door of people with the 'wrong' Buddhist Umbrella.
Gay Pride. Black Power. Religious Freedom. Womens Movement. Onward.
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I thought this was a good thread to post this article.
A Buddhist view of homosexuality
by (the late) Ven. Dr K Sri Dhammananda, Published on the Buddhist Channel, June 30, 2015
http://buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=6,12366,0,0,1,0
' We can no longer pretend that this aspect of human behavior - homosexuality - is something shameful and if we ignore it long enough it will simply go away.'
..."There is nothing intrinsically wrong with sex. What is wrong is attachment and slavery to it, on believing that indulgence in sex can bring ultimate happiness.." -- Ven Dr K Sri Dhammananda (1919-2006)
And then there's this...
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Dalai-Lama-Speaks-on-Gay-Sex-He-says-it-s-wrong-2836591.php
Granted, it's over 15 years old, but it still gives me pause about the Tibetan traditions.
How does he know? He's never tried it. He's probably mellowed out on it by now.
I wouldn't let it get to you. Of course there is gay sex going on in the Tibetan traditions.
It didn't stop me from joining a Tibetan sangha. But it made my decision somewhat harder.
Ahem. He's never tried it that you know of. After all, at one time he was a typical hormone driven teenager, even if he was a reincarnated monk.
I'm pretty sure H.H. The Dalai Lama is a virgin.
@ourself -- You may well be right, but I, for one, really hope you're wrong.
Great news! I don't care who is fucking who and who is dating who. I'm not so curious. I don't like gossips and I have enough daze in my personal life.
Anyways, Above all we are consumers.
Tsk tsk....Language, please..... And what that link has to do with the topic is unclear...
After all we are just consumers. In my country, Finland, homosexuality is not such a big deal (neither is religion) as in many other countries. The gay icon Tom of Finland is our national pride!
Yes, but 'consumption' isn't the point.
I'm not sure what the relevance is....
This is about Gay marriage being legal in the USA. Many Hardened Christians are objecting for all manner of reasons which, under strict analysis, actually have nothing to do with the legal rationale behind the Legislation.
You are extremely fortunate to live in such a liberally-minded country, but in doing so, you are naturally 'out of touch' with what a radical and upsetting situation this is, for many who see their set values being eroded and threatened. It's a difficult concept to wrap your head around, when the whole thing is so alien and far-removed...
Take it easy and please don’t bully me, federica! And I'm not the only one who has used the f-word here
“Consumption is a major concept in economics and is also studied by many other social sciences. Economists are particularly interested in the relationship between consumption and income, and therefore in economics the consumption function plays a major role.”
Milton Friedman is among the most recognised American economists along with John Maynard Keynes. Friedman’s economic liberalism has had a major impact on American economics and government policies. For instance, he was an advisor to Ronald Reagan. Logically, he was a keen same-sex marriage supporter. So it was about time for equal marriage rights as a normal convention of American freedom and politics!
We cannot separate ourselves from the political and cultural background we are living in. Everything is associated to everything.
Should I explain more? A consumer is a basic unit in our culture. There are not really individuals but demographics and everything is serving economics including oil and the war industry. Enough freedom, enough rights -> happy consumers -> healthy economics. So it's not only love.
Tom of Finland was an artist and the video was an example of commercialisation of his work. Maybe he wouldn't like it.
The main reason this legislation was passed was to recognise that any couple of any persuasion or gender, had the right to the same social standards as a heterosexual couple wishing to marry. This was sexual discrimination, and as such, against the law.
And please (Moderator) note: I wasn't bullying you. As a Moderator, I deliberately avoid using such behaviour.
If I make a request however, it is more advisable to accede to it.
Choose your terms carefully, and watch your language.
needless and inappropriate foul language is unacceptable.
Period, full stop end of story.
Back to topic.
@nakazcid have you bothered to see how his opinion has evolved since that statement 15 years ago? Thankfully, people are allowed to change.
He interviewed with...Larry King I think, last year and said that if no one is being hurt, gay marriage is ok. He still believes it is wrong for monks to engage in gay sex but if I remember right that still has more to do with the monk precepts against all sex than something inherently bad or wrong with gay people.
This is what he said from an abc news article:
The Dalai Lama has joined the growing chorus of people who support gay marriage, the exiled Tibetan religious leader said during his latest visit to the United States.
"If two people - a couple - really feel that way is more practical, more sort of satisfaction, both sides fully agree, then OK," he said.
Also, the Dalai Lama isn't the head of Tibetan Buddhism, do don't judge all of a large tradition just based on words he says. He is the head of the Gelug school of Tibetan Buddhism. In addition to that there is the Nyingma school, the Kagyu school...and at least one more maybe more that I cannot think of right now.
Last time I checked into it was five years ago, long before that 2014 interview. I had no particular reason to believe he had changed position, and the article I linked to was the first result of a search on the subject. A more refined search turned up the recent Larry King interview. So thanks for clarifying that, but why the accusatory tone?
Sorry, I wasn't intending to sound accusatory. I guess it just bothers me when people admit they are using really old information and haven't taken the time to see if something has changed. It might be true that some religious authorities never change their view no matter what, but that isn't true of all of them, thank goodness
It was quite heavily covered in the news last spring when it happened. To clarify, it bothered me because not only did you form your opinion of HHDL based on old information but you used it to judge the entirety of the Tibetan tradition.
Some food for thought: (Slightly off topic....Just thinking out loud)
If gay marriage became legal (common place) in parts of Asia where 'Arranged- Marriages' are common place ..What impact would this have on the local gay communities?