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this thread is very old, but it is valid for today
http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/4619/the-four-noble-truths
the suffering is two kind:
mental suffering and bodily suffering
insight meditation helps to see the difference,
in other words, practising four frames of reference (mindfulness) help to see the distinction between the two kinds of suffering
the cause of suffering
craving is the cause
in other words dependent origination (patcca samuppada) ia the cause of suffering
the cessation of suffering
one must see the impermanent nature of things, suffering nature of things and non-duality nature of things (anicca, dukka, anatta)
the path leading to the cessation
Noble Eightfold Path (arya ashtangika magga)
one starts practising four frames of reference with having a vee bit of faith in Buddha
one develops Eightfold Path which leads to Noble Eightfold Path
once one is wise enough to develop NEF one is said to be a Noble One and it says He never enter into woeful states and He achieved the first stage of Noble Ones
He now knows where He is heading
one does not need any guide anymore, but one has to continue practising four frames of reference with the knowledge/wisdom one achieved so far
by doing so one develops one's 37 factors for awakening/wings to awakening/to reach nibbana/unbinding/enlightenment
at this stage, the most important thing is to know where we/i/you stand
if i/you/we don't have a vee bit of faith in Buddha/His Teaching/His disciples, the first thing we have to do is have a faith (by now, by the time of your desire to log into this site, read this thread and read this post so far you have a vee bit of faith in Buddha/His Teaching/His disciples, even though i/we/you deny it)
my/your/our 37 factors for awakening has been developed up to a certain level
we don't know it because we are ignorant, gullible, innocent little fools who are with closed eyes
what we have to do is open our eyes and practise four frames of reference
we will be able to see the Four Noble Truth and can start to living according to the Truth we have seen
what we see is what we own, it is no one else's asset
ready to open the eyes and practise the Four frame of reference
**********'bikkus, develop your mindfulness, there is no other thing that can lead you to get rid of suffering, make haste, do not hesitate'**********
And when things seem confounding and unclear, I remember something Bhante Gunaratana wrote somewhere, to the effect that: Even delusion is impermanent.
Nice thought, but I've known people who have been deluded for at least decades.
that is why there is a hope for freedom
in my case i had been deluded 54 years (more than five decades)
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I know the feeling. Three weeks ago I learned that in some ways I have been coasting through life. I have mistaken being nice for being good.
@vinlyn it's funny how so few words can make you think. Indeed, how often we mistake the two.
This is why I am now particularly working on mindfulness above all else.
I hear ya @vinlyn! Compassion doesn't always mean being nice and saying yes to everything. Having kids has helped me learn that.
Humblin' ain't it.
There we are all being ultra spiritual Buddhists ...
... when we realise our shallowness - oops! Better late than never ...
I'm as shallow as they come ...
TRUTH!!!!!!!
If you just take one noble truth and ask yourself, is this true? It's a life changer.