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The link between sex and peacefulness

KeromeKerome Love, love is mysteryThe Continent Veteran

So are human beings like Bonobos? Fascinating article on Psychology Today...

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/out-the-darkness/202002/making-love-instead-war?eml

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  • DakiniDakini Veteran Veteran
    edited February 14

    It says that in bonobos and some human groups, having sex often, including with different partners, curbs aggression. That doesn't seem to work in Western culture, though, where having multiple partners, i.e. not pairing off in committed relationships seems to be the cause of a fair amount of aggression. I don't know; I don't think it's all as simple as the article makes it out to be.

    The other thing to keep in mind, is that trading partners around tends to spread STD's. The article didn't say if the rate of STD's among bonobos and Pacific Islanders had been studied. I suspect, that "marriage", or some form of long-term commitment to one partner, was invented in part to curb the spread of STD's.

    Harappan culture, one of the earliest civilizations known, was exceptional in being a peaceful culture according to the archaeological record so far), and as far as we know, was made up of family units headed by monogamous adults. No info on divorce rates, and the like, though. But it seems, that "free sex" isn't necessary to have a peaceful society. Harappan culture is also believed to be the origin of yoga. Research into this somewhat enigmatic early civilization is ongoing. Rumor has it, the it had a matriarchal structure. Stay tuned for further developments. :)

    FeistyGibbletspersonFoibleFull
  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran

    Historically, compared to more restrictive times, there is a lot less violence around now in western society. So I’d say the authors were on to something.

  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    @Dakini said: I suspect, that "marriage", or some form of long-term commitment to one partner, was invented in part to curb the spread of STD's.

    No. If you're talking about the original invention of marriage, it was a predominantly financial arrangement that would prove advantageous and beneficial to both parties concerned, with, of course, the importance of the bride, and her role, being of minor significance as part of the transaction. Very often, the brides were still children and the husbands adequately mature to take mistresses until the bride was ready for coupling, then her role became one of providing a legitimate heir.
    Marriage was also a means of ensuring legitimate inheritance, so that the possible numerous bastards produced by the husband, could not lay claim to any right, and dilute and/or divert the properties wealth and rights of relatives.

    STD's were just a side issue. An occupational hazard, if you will.
    A spanner in the works, certainly.

    But nothing to do with the creation of marriage.

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think the void Veteran

    Interesting. I think I'd caution against drawing to strong of a causal role though as importantly correlation isn't necessarily causation. It could be that more egalitarian cultures are more open sexually, especially in regards to women, or some other third factor leading to both, rather than just coming to the conclusion if we only had more sex society would be more peaceful.

    Also, regarding the societies of Pacific islanders. I have to wonder if the protective boundary of living on an island allowed them to let go more easily of protective tribal instincts that aid in preserving and protecting one's tribe against threatening outsiders such as purity, loyalty, and respect for authority.

  • DakiniDakini Veteran Veteran
    edited February 14

    @person said:
    Interesting. I think I'd caution against drawing to strong of a causal role though as importantly correlation isn't necessarily causation. It could be that more egalitarian cultures are more open sexually, especially in regards to women, or some other third factor leading to both, rather than just coming to the conclusion if we only had more sex society would be more peaceful.

    Also, regarding the societies of Pacific islanders. I have to wonder if the protective boundary of living on an island allowed them to let go more easily of protective tribal instincts that aid in preserving and protecting one's tribe against threatening outsiders such as purity, loyalty, and respect for authority.

    Didn't the islanders, or some of the island nations, have warrior societies, though?

    I think more study is needed on all aspects of the issues the article presents. Also, I thought Margaret Meade's take on "Coming Of Age In Samoa" and other South Sea cultures, had been debunked. She'd written about what seemed like free sexual experimentation among teens there, but later researchers said she was wrong, and that in fact there were taboos governing that area of life. I haven't read the book refuting her. Has anyone here read it?

    person
  • DakiniDakini Veteran Veteran
    edited February 14

    @federica said:

    @Dakini said: I suspect, that "marriage", or some form of long-term commitment to one partner, was invented in part to curb the spread of STD's.

    No. If you're talking about the original invention of marriage, it was a predominantly financial arrangement that would prove advantageous and beneficial to both parties concerned, with, of course, the importance of the bride, and her role, being of minor significance as part of the transaction. Very often, the brides were still children and the husbands adequately mature to take mistresses until the bride was ready for coupling, then her role became one of providing a legitimate heir.
    Marriage was also a means of ensuring legitimate inheritance, so that the possible numerous bastards produced by the husband, could not lay claim to any right, and dilute and/or divert the properties wealth and rights of relatives.

    STD's were just a side issue. An occupational hazard, if you will.
    A spanner in the works, certainly.

    But nothing to do with the creation of marriage.

    Good points. (Thank you for the reminder.) But there are legends of Harappans traveling to other parts of the world after their civilization either collapsed or had to relocate due to climate changes. In the Andean region where some of them ended up, they introduced the practice of monogamy, it's said. It's my guess, that this was regarded as a "better way", possibly to limit STD's. But all of this is controversial, including those legends of foreigners appearing among the Andean peoples with new ideas.

    There's so much to prehistory that we still don't know! Many mysteries yet to be uncovered (or disproven), and explained. The Journey of Man fascinates, as the picture continues to be revealed, bit by bit.

    federica
  • BunksBunks Veteran Australia Veteran

    I keep reading the name of this thread and thinking that there is no link between sex and peacefulness!

    lobsterFeistyGibblets
  • DakiniDakini Veteran Veteran
    edited February 15

    I just remembered reading, that South Sea Island culture is one of the few cultures worldwide that includes the practice of polyandry: multiple male partners per each woman. Others are: Himalayan Buddhist culture (Tibetan, eastern Bhutanese), certain Siberian Native cultures around the periphery of the Asian continent (near the Arctic Ocean, and also in the Russian Far East, though only up to the 60's, when the Soviet regime banned the practice), and some tribes in the Amazon. Could this have something to do with the peaceful nature of some of those cultures?

  • lobsterlobster Veteran Veteran

    @Bunks said:
    I keep reading the name of this thread and thinking that there is no link between sex and peacefulness!

    That is certainly true for Martian men. Venusian women are more civilised ...
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_Are_from_Mars,_Women_Are_from_Venus

    Buddhas are from the Pureelands 🤪

    Bunks
  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran

    The whole argument that the monogamous, patriarchal culture came from the idea of property rights and the need to secure a succession of ownership seems quite logical. It’s interesting how these earlier cultures seem to have had such different attitudes.

  • DakiniDakini Veteran Veteran

    @Kerome said:
    The whole argument that the monogamous, patriarchal culture came from the idea of property rights and the need to secure a succession of ownership seems quite logical. It’s interesting how these earlier cultures seem to have had such different attitudes.

    The Tibetans are also concerned with property rights, but they strive to keep family property from being split up over generations among too many heirs by having brothers marry and share the same wife.

    Interesting how different cultures come up with different solutions to similar problems.

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