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edited December 2023
“Q: Why did I get the ‘I am’ idea in the first instance?
M: The mind needs a centre to draw a circle. The circle may grow bigger and with every increase there will be a change in the sense ‘I am’. A man who took himself in hand, a Yogi, will draw a spiral, yet the centre will remain, however vast the spiral. A day comes when the entire enterprise is seen as false and is given up. The central point is no more and the universe becomes the centre.”
(Question asked of Nisargadatta Maharaj)
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“There are innumerable gods, each in his own universe. They create and recreate eternally. Are you going to wait for them to save you? What you need for your salvation is already within your reach. Use it. Investigate what you know to its very end and you will reach the unknown layers of your being. Go further and the unexpected will explode in you and shatter all.”
— Nisargadatta Maharaj
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
edited December 2023
“Q: A friend of mine used to have horrible dreams night after night. Going to sleep would terrorise him. Nothing could help him.
M: Company of the truly good (satsang) would help him.
Q: Life itself is a nightmare.
M: Noble friendship (satsang) is the supreme remedy for all ills, physical and mental.
Q: Generally one cannot find such friendship.
M: Seek within. Your own self is your best friend.”
(Questions asked of Nisargadatta Maharaj)
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
edited December 2023
“Do you think you are as a flock of birds that settle onto the branches of a tree, or more like leaves sprouting from it? We don’t come into this world, we grow out of it.”
— Alan Watts
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“Remember this valuation. In morality there is something good and something bad. In being natural there is something wise and something stupid. A man who is natural is wise, not good. A man who is not natural is stupid, not bad. There is nothing bad and nothing good, only wise things and foolish things. And if you are foolish you harm yourself and others, and if you are wise you don’t harm anybody – neither others, nor you. There is nothing like sin and there is nothing like virtue – wisdom is all. If you want to call it virtue, call it virtue. And ignorance is there if you want to call it sin – that is the only sin.”
— Osho, Tantra: The Supreme Understanding
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“ But when I say be alert, I don’t mean that think good thoughts, no, because whenever you think good thoughts, by the side you are also thinking of bad thoughts. How can good exist without bad? If you think of love, just by the side, behind it, is hidden hate. How can you think about love without thinking about hate? You may not think consciously, love may be in the conscious layer of the mind, but hate is hidden in the unconscious – they move together.
Whenever you think of compassion, you think of cruelty. Can you think of compassion without thinking of cruelty? Can you think of nonviolence without thinking of violence? In the very word ”nonviolence,” violence enters; in the very concept it is there.”
— Osho
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“Whatsoever you have done, I tell you, don’t be worried by it. It has happened to you because you were not aware. Alight your inner flame – find it, seek it, it is there – and suddenly the whole past disappears, as if it all happened in a dream. In fact, it has happened in a dream, because you were not conscious. All karmas have happened in a dream, they are made of the same stuff as dreams are made.
You need not wait for your karmas to be fulfilled – then you will have to wait for eternity. And even then you will not be out of the wheel because you cannot simply wait for eternity: you will be doing many things meanwhile; then the vicious circle cannot be completed ever. You will move on and on and on, and you will go on doing things, and new things will make you entangled in more future things – then where will the end be? No, there is no need. You simply become aware and suddenly all karmas drop. In a single moment of intense awareness, the whole past disappears, becomes rubbish.”
— Osho, Tantra: The Supreme Understanding
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“Religion needs trust. Trust means: the doubting faculty of the mind goes to sleep. It is like hypnosis. So when people say to you, ”This man, Osho, has hypnotized you,” they are right in a way. If you trust me it is like hypnosis: fully awake, you have dropped your reason – now imagination functions with a total capacity, now you are in a dangerous situation.
If you allow imagination, you can imagine all sorts of things: kundalini is arising, chakras opening; any sorts of things you can imagine, and they will all happen to you. And they are beautiful – but not true. So when you trust a person, in the very trusting you have to be aware of imagination. Trust, but don’t become a victim of imagination. Whatsoever is being said here is metaphorical. And remember always, that all experiences are imagination; all experiences, I say, unconditionally. Only the experiencer is the truth.
So whatsoever you experience, don’t pay much attention to it, and don’t start bragging about it. Just remember that all that is experienced is illusory – only the one who experiences is true. Pay attention to the witness; focus on the witness and not on the experiences. Howsoever beautiful, all experiences are dreamlike and one has to go beyond all of them.”
— Osho, Tantra: The Supreme Understanding
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“The real religion starts only when you start on a journey of transformation; not to be adjusted to the society, but to be in harmony with the cosmos.”
— Osho
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“The psychotic drowns in the same waters where the mystic swims with delight.”
— Joseph Campbell
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“The study of the mind may make you a good psychologist, but it won’t help you go beyond the mind.”
— Eckhart Tolle
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." "Since when do you have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?" "If it were not for injustice, man would not know justice." "It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen; that is the common right of humanity."
~Martin Luther King~
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“The stronger the ego in you, the more likely it is that you will see other people as the source of your problems.”
— Eckhart Tolle
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"
~Steven Weinberg~
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“The true method of knowledge is experiment.”
— William Blake
@Shoshin1 said: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"
~Steven Weinberg~
Useful quote.
That sadly is all too often true. It is why I have no fear of mystics, the spiritual and most of all the enlightened.
However, wastrel nihilists, commercialised religions, militant religions, cults and the ignorant, fanatics, fangirls and boys ... well they sure are a crazed punch/bunch.
Good secularists, atheists, humanists etc are fine with me ...
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“This is the difference between a political mind and a religious mind, and you are all political minds. A political mind thinks, ”I am absolutely okay, everything else is wrong.” So he starts to change the world – a Lenin, a Gandhi, a Hitler, a Mao.
The political mind thinks, “Everything is wrong. If everything is settled then it will be beautiful.”
A religious mind thinks, “Only I am not settled. Otherwise, everything is as perfect as it can be.””
— Osho
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“The only freedom is the freedom from the known.”
— Jiddu Krishnamurti
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“All dependence, whether on the written or spoken word or on a drug, inevitably dulls the mind.”
— Jiddu Krishnamurti
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“Hope is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man.”
— Frederich Nietzsche
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“Verily the lust for comfort murders the passion of the soul, and then walks grinning in the funeral.”
— Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet
I can't recall the source, but:
A closed mind is forever imprisoned
An open mind is forever free
Peace to all
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“I have developed many meditations simply to help you unburden. And anybody who has come as an outsider to see will think, "These people are mad! Why are they laughing?" -- as if the energy needs any "why." It has to be expressed. All the energies have to be expressed. Those which can be creative, make them creative; those which cannot be made creative, make them harmless. And you will be surprised that as you release energies, you are unburdened and you are saner. There is less possibility of you ever falling into madness.
And secondly, you will find fresher energies arising in you. We are continuously creating in ourselves, by food, by breathing, by exercise, by the sun, by the moon, by the stars... from everywhere energy is being poured into us. And you are carrying loads of stale energy because you don't have space for the new energy. It is always good to have fresh and new energy, because that will keep you younger, fresher, sharper, more intelligent and more innocent.”
— Osho, The Path of the Mystic
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“Anybody who tells you to do this or that should not be called a teacher. Instead they may be called a butcher. A teacher releases you from all activity, all concepts, all burdens. For thirty five million years you have been doing. And when you finally reach a true teacher, he will not ask you to do anything. He will say, “My dear son, just come and sit quietly. Be quiet. That is all. Don’t do anything.””
“Life is a garden, not a road. We enter and exit through the same gate. Wandering, where we go matters less than what we notice.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Cat’s Cradle
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“It is a revolution in the world of religions. Buddha created a religion without God. For the first time God is no longer at the center of a religion. Man becomes the center of religion, and man’s innermost being becomes godliness, for which you have not to go anywhere – you have simply stopped going outside.”
— Osho
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JeroenLuminous beings are we, not this crude matterNetherlandsVeteran
“All great religious teachers, compared to Gautam Buddha, fall very short. They want you to become followers, they want you to practice a certain discipline, they want you to manage your affairs, your morality, your lifestyle. They make a mold of you and they give you a beautiful prison cell.
Buddha stands alone, totally for freedom. Without freedom man cannot know his ultimate mystery; chained he cannot move his wings into the sky and cannot go into the beyond. Every religion is chaining people, keeping some hold on them, not allowing them to be their original beings, but giving them personalities and masks – and this they call religious education.
Buddha does not give you any religious education. He wants you simply to be yourself, whatever it is. That is your religion – to be yourself.”
LOL
Too many 'expert' propounders barely know their own background religion. Too busy making noise ... You might have noticed ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_atheism
Whence was it produced? Whence is this creation?
The gods came afterwards, with the creation of this universe.
Whence this creation has arisen,
perhaps it formed itself, or perhaps it did not.
The one who looks down on it, in the highest heaven,
only he knows, or perhaps he does not know.
— Rig Veda, chapter 10, hymn 129, verses 6 (partial) and 7
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edited April 25
“The brain is not a creator. It is only a reactor; it reacts to stimuli. The mechanism that we have implanted in it, as it were, through our education and culture, has made us believe that it is a creator. None of the thoughts that we are thinking are self-generated. None of them are spontaneous. They always come from outside, and the brain is there only to translate this sensation -- the translation that is necessary for the survival of this living organism. It is not interested in any of the spiritual experiences or anything that the mind is interested in (mind, quote and unquote). In fact, I don't see any mind there at all. The mind is interested only in sensuality. So all religious experiences of any kind are sensual in their nature. It is only the mind that is interested in spiritual experiences -- bliss, compassion, truth, reality, and all those kinds of things. But the body, the living organism, is not interested in any of those things, but only to respond to stimuli.”
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“Q: Why did I get the ‘I am’ idea in the first instance?
M: The mind needs a centre to draw a circle. The circle may grow bigger and with every increase there will be a change in the sense ‘I am’. A man who took himself in hand, a Yogi, will draw a spiral, yet the centre will remain, however vast the spiral. A day comes when the entire enterprise is seen as false and is given up. The central point is no more and the universe becomes the centre.”
(Question asked of Nisargadatta Maharaj)
“There are innumerable gods, each in his own universe. They create and recreate eternally. Are you going to wait for them to save you? What you need for your salvation is already within your reach. Use it. Investigate what you know to its very end and you will reach the unknown layers of your being. Go further and the unexpected will explode in you and shatter all.”
— Nisargadatta Maharaj
“Q: A friend of mine used to have horrible dreams night after night. Going to sleep would terrorise him. Nothing could help him.
M: Company of the truly good (satsang) would help him.
Q: Life itself is a nightmare.
M: Noble friendship (satsang) is the supreme remedy for all ills, physical and mental.
Q: Generally one cannot find such friendship.
M: Seek within. Your own self is your best friend.”
(Questions asked of Nisargadatta Maharaj)
“Do you think you are as a flock of birds that settle onto the branches of a tree, or more like leaves sprouting from it? We don’t come into this world, we grow out of it.”
— Alan Watts
“Remember this valuation. In morality there is something good and something bad. In being natural there is something wise and something stupid. A man who is natural is wise, not good. A man who is not natural is stupid, not bad. There is nothing bad and nothing good, only wise things and foolish things. And if you are foolish you harm yourself and others, and if you are wise you don’t harm anybody – neither others, nor you. There is nothing like sin and there is nothing like virtue – wisdom is all. If you want to call it virtue, call it virtue. And ignorance is there if you want to call it sin – that is the only sin.”
— Osho, Tantra: The Supreme Understanding
“ But when I say be alert, I don’t mean that think good thoughts, no, because whenever you think good thoughts, by the side you are also thinking of bad thoughts. How can good exist without bad? If you think of love, just by the side, behind it, is hidden hate. How can you think about love without thinking about hate? You may not think consciously, love may be in the conscious layer of the mind, but hate is hidden in the unconscious – they move together.
Whenever you think of compassion, you think of cruelty. Can you think of compassion without thinking of cruelty? Can you think of nonviolence without thinking of violence? In the very word ”nonviolence,” violence enters; in the very concept it is there.”
— Osho
“Whatsoever you have done, I tell you, don’t be worried by it. It has happened to you because you were not aware. Alight your inner flame – find it, seek it, it is there – and suddenly the whole past disappears, as if it all happened in a dream. In fact, it has happened in a dream, because you were not conscious. All karmas have happened in a dream, they are made of the same stuff as dreams are made.
You need not wait for your karmas to be fulfilled – then you will have to wait for eternity. And even then you will not be out of the wheel because you cannot simply wait for eternity: you will be doing many things meanwhile; then the vicious circle cannot be completed ever. You will move on and on and on, and you will go on doing things, and new things will make you entangled in more future things – then where will the end be? No, there is no need. You simply become aware and suddenly all karmas drop. In a single moment of intense awareness, the whole past disappears, becomes rubbish.”
— Osho, Tantra: The Supreme Understanding
“Religion needs trust. Trust means: the doubting faculty of the mind goes to sleep. It is like hypnosis. So when people say to you, ”This man, Osho, has hypnotized you,” they are right in a way. If you trust me it is like hypnosis: fully awake, you have dropped your reason – now imagination functions with a total capacity, now you are in a dangerous situation.
If you allow imagination, you can imagine all sorts of things: kundalini is arising, chakras opening; any sorts of things you can imagine, and they will all happen to you. And they are beautiful – but not true. So when you trust a person, in the very trusting you have to be aware of imagination. Trust, but don’t become a victim of imagination. Whatsoever is being said here is metaphorical. And remember always, that all experiences are imagination; all experiences, I say, unconditionally. Only the experiencer is the truth.
So whatsoever you experience, don’t pay much attention to it, and don’t start bragging about it. Just remember that all that is experienced is illusory – only the one who experiences is true. Pay attention to the witness; focus on the witness and not on the experiences. Howsoever beautiful, all experiences are dreamlike and one has to go beyond all of them.”
— Osho, Tantra: The Supreme Understanding
“The real religion starts only when you start on a journey of transformation; not to be adjusted to the society, but to be in harmony with the cosmos.”
— Osho
“The psychotic drowns in the same waters where the mystic swims with delight.”
— Joseph Campbell
“The study of the mind may make you a good psychologist, but it won’t help you go beyond the mind.”
— Eckhart Tolle
"Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere." "Since when do you have to agree with people to defend them from injustice?" "If it were not for injustice, man would not know justice." "It is a denial of justice not to stretch out a helping hand to the fallen; that is the common right of humanity."
~Martin Luther King~
“The stronger the ego in you, the more likely it is that you will see other people as the source of your problems.”
— Eckhart Tolle
"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion"
~Steven Weinberg~
“The true method of knowledge is experiment.”
— William Blake
"What appears different is actually different expressions of an interconnected reality"
~Vandana Shiva~
Useful quote.
That sadly is all too often true. It is why I have no fear of mystics, the spiritual and most of all the enlightened.
However, wastrel nihilists, commercialised religions, militant religions, cults and the ignorant, fanatics, fangirls and boys ... well they sure are a crazed punch/bunch.
Good secularists, atheists, humanists etc are fine with me ...
“This is the difference between a political mind and a religious mind, and you are all political minds. A political mind thinks, ”I am absolutely okay, everything else is wrong.” So he starts to change the world – a Lenin, a Gandhi, a Hitler, a Mao.
The political mind thinks, “Everything is wrong. If everything is settled then it will be beautiful.”
A religious mind thinks, “Only I am not settled. Otherwise, everything is as perfect as it can be.””
— Osho
“The only freedom is the freedom from the known.”
— Jiddu Krishnamurti
“All dependence, whether on the written or spoken word or on a drug, inevitably dulls the mind.”
— Jiddu Krishnamurti
“Hope is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man.”
— Frederich Nietzsche
“Verily the lust for comfort murders the passion of the soul, and then walks grinning in the funeral.”
— Kahlil Gibran, The Prophet
I can't recall the source, but:
A closed mind is forever imprisoned
An open mind is forever free
Peace to all
“I have developed many meditations simply to help you unburden. And anybody who has come as an outsider to see will think, "These people are mad! Why are they laughing?" -- as if the energy needs any "why." It has to be expressed. All the energies have to be expressed. Those which can be creative, make them creative; those which cannot be made creative, make them harmless. And you will be surprised that as you release energies, you are unburdened and you are saner. There is less possibility of you ever falling into madness.
And secondly, you will find fresher energies arising in you. We are continuously creating in ourselves, by food, by breathing, by exercise, by the sun, by the moon, by the stars... from everywhere energy is being poured into us. And you are carrying loads of stale energy because you don't have space for the new energy. It is always good to have fresh and new energy, because that will keep you younger, fresher, sharper, more intelligent and more innocent.”
— Osho, The Path of the Mystic
“Anybody who tells you to do this or that should not be called a teacher. Instead they may be called a butcher. A teacher releases you from all activity, all concepts, all burdens. For thirty five million years you have been doing. And when you finally reach a true teacher, he will not ask you to do anything. He will say, “My dear son, just come and sit quietly. Be quiet. That is all. Don’t do anything.””
— Papaji
"There are two ways to be fooled.
One is to believe what isn't true
The other is to refuse to believe what is true."
~Soren Kierkegaard~
“I give them what they want, so that they want what I give.”
— Shirdi Sai Baba
“Life is a garden, not a road. We enter and exit through the same gate. Wandering, where we go matters less than what we notice.”
― Kurt Vonnegut, Cat’s Cradle
“It is a revolution in the world of religions. Buddha created a religion without God. For the first time God is no longer at the center of a religion. Man becomes the center of religion, and man’s innermost being becomes godliness, for which you have not to go anywhere – you have simply stopped going outside.”
— Osho
“All great religious teachers, compared to Gautam Buddha, fall very short. They want you to become followers, they want you to practice a certain discipline, they want you to manage your affairs, your morality, your lifestyle. They make a mold of you and they give you a beautiful prison cell.
Buddha stands alone, totally for freedom. Without freedom man cannot know his ultimate mystery; chained he cannot move his wings into the sky and cannot go into the beyond. Every religion is chaining people, keeping some hold on them, not allowing them to be their original beings, but giving them personalities and masks – and this they call religious education.
Buddha does not give you any religious education. He wants you simply to be yourself, whatever it is. That is your religion – to be yourself.”
— Osho
LOL
Too many 'expert' propounders barely know their own background religion. Too busy making noise ... You might have noticed ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_atheism
“The brain is not a creator. It is only a reactor; it reacts to stimuli. The mechanism that we have implanted in it, as it were, through our education and culture, has made us believe that it is a creator. None of the thoughts that we are thinking are self-generated. None of them are spontaneous. They always come from outside, and the brain is there only to translate this sensation -- the translation that is necessary for the survival of this living organism. It is not interested in any of the spiritual experiences or anything that the mind is interested in (mind, quote and unquote). In fact, I don't see any mind there at all. The mind is interested only in sensuality. So all religious experiences of any kind are sensual in their nature. It is only the mind that is interested in spiritual experiences -- bliss, compassion, truth, reality, and all those kinds of things. But the body, the living organism, is not interested in any of those things, but only to respond to stimuli.”
— U.G. Krishnamurti