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Kindness is Contagious

Shoshin1Shoshin1 Sentient BeingOceania Veteran

Showing one's humanity

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  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran

    The loudest Buddhist chanting I have been to was the Nichiren mantra being played at very high volume through speakers. O.o

    The Christians now are rescuing their organs.
    Maybe the Heavy metal Buddhists (eg @Linc) would be interested in a new project, with 'Plague of Bodhi' (not yet available).

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2025/apr/25/york-minster-hosts-controversial-metal-concert-as-threatened-protests-fail-to-materialise

    Is that the wrong kind of kind? Ah Well! I will be sitting in the quiet corner with the tone deafened... >:)

    Shoshin1
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran

    Being kind is a wonderful direction @Shoshin1
    It does not make us a doormat (though in a sense that is the ideal)
    Rather it is the capacity to recognise that our contrary and opposing nature is harming no one but ourselves.

    And yes, I find picnic tours of the hell realms have no element of fear for the truly brave, empowered, human...

    Remove the blindfold and imagine a list of people and wrathfuls that are the enemies of good as we perceive it. Now hug them horribles.

    That is the essence of Tantra.
    https://buddhaweekly.com/tantric-wrathful-deities-the-psychology-and-extraordinary-power-of-enlightened-beings-in-their-fearsome-form/

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    @lobster said:
    Being kind is a wonderful direction @Shoshin1
    It does not make us a doormat (though in a sense that is the ideal)
    Rather it is the capacity to recognise that our contrary and opposing nature is harming no one but ourselves.

    And yes, I find picnic tours of the hell realms have no element of fear for the truly brave, empowered, human...

    Remove the blindfold and imagine a list of people and wrathfuls that are the enemies of good as we perceive it. Now hug them horribles.

    That is the essence of Tantra.
    https://buddhaweekly.com/tantric-wrathful-deities-the-psychology-and-extraordinary-power-of-enlightened-beings-in-their-fearsome-form/

    For some reason the idea of wrathful forms brought to mind the saying the emperor has no clothes. I asked AI if it was kind and it said no, but it also said it may sometimes be more appropriate. Then I'm wondering what IS kindness exactly? Is it fundamentally sweet and gentle? Is it kinder to let a friend walk around with spinach in their teeth or kinder to tell them even though in the moment it causes them embarrassment? Can telling someone they have spinach in their teeth be done kindly or cruelly? Can not telling them be more about our comfort than our friend's? What kind of hierarchy of values exists? Kindness, honesty, integrity, beauty, patience, equality, discipline, justice, courage, creativity, balance.

    lobster
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran

    @person
    "Don't believe everything you think"
    I believe everything that can be thought by 'others', if kindly allowed...
    We all have a hierarchy of values. What if we try to go beyond such valuing systems. Where are we then? Nowhere. Again... :no_mouth:

  • Shoshin1Shoshin1 Sentient Being Oceania Veteran

    Overthinking the what’s and why’s of kindness can make us miss the chance to show it when it’s needed most.

    Overthinking can turn compassion into hesitation, and by the time a decision is made, the moment may have passed.

    Kindness, from what I have gathered through experience, often lives in the moment, like, for example, how genuine empathy doesn’t ask for justification; it simply acts.

    I’m reminded of a Buddhist friend who was visiting her daughter in Canada. One winter’s day, she saw a notice calling for volunteers at a local soup kitchen. The kitchen was understaffed and needed help, especially during the cold months when demand was high. She took down the contact details, planning to reach out once she got home.

    But when she returned, she began to overthink. She asked herself why she wanted to help: Was it because I genuinely feel called to help others? Or is it just to appease my ego? To be able to say, “Hey everybody, look at me...I’m helping those in need. I’m such a kind and compassionate person." In the end, she went with the latter, and the soup kitchen missed out on much-needed help.

    lobsterperson
  • marcitkomarcitko Veteran

    @person said:

    @lobster said:
    Being kind is a wonderful direction @Shoshin1
    It does not make us a doormat (though in a sense that is the ideal)
    Rather it is the capacity to recognise that our contrary and opposing nature is harming no one but ourselves.

    And yes, I find picnic tours of the hell realms have no element of fear for the truly brave, empowered, human...

    Remove the blindfold and imagine a list of people and wrathfuls that are the enemies of good as we perceive it. Now hug them horribles.

    That is the essence of Tantra.
    https://buddhaweekly.com/tantric-wrathful-deities-the-psychology-and-extraordinary-power-of-enlightened-beings-in-their-fearsome-form/

    For some reason the idea of wrathful forms brought to mind the saying the emperor has no clothes. I asked AI if it was kind and it said no, but it also said it may sometimes be more appropriate. Then I'm wondering what IS kindness exactly? Is it fundamentally sweet and gentle? Is it kinder to let a friend walk around with spinach in their teeth or kinder to tell them even though in the moment it causes them embarrassment? Can telling someone they have spinach in their teeth be done kindly or cruelly? Can not telling them be more about our comfort than our friend's? What kind of hierarchy of values exists? Kindness, honesty, integrity, beauty, patience, equality, discipline, justice, courage, creativity, balance.

    I'd say kindness is a feeling of warmth, friendliness, and closeness towards the other from which kind actions/words then naturally emanate.

    In your example, being kind or unkind is not directly related to commenting or not commenting on the spinach issue. It is the "field" from which the comment emanates that is kind or unkind, not the exact wording/statement.

    The other will pretty much always know from which "field" the comment comes.

    The same applies to humour. The same statement, depending on the "field" from which it comes, can be either deeply offensive or hilarious to all involved.

    Just my POV.

    lobsterperson
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran
    edited May 10

    These where helpful for understanding, thanks.

    What comes to mind was represented in the show The Good Place, there was a philosopher character that could never make up his mind and that's what led him to end up there.

    At the same time I think of the story of the person helping butterflies escape from their cocoons. He was acting out of a feeling of kindness but was causing harm through his lack of understanding.

    I remember fairly clearly thinking, (though not exactly when, maybe in my late teens early 20s) saying the helpful, true thing was the kinder thing even if it caused discomfort in the moment. Since, I've tried learning how to do it more diplomatically. I guess I still think that is basically right, but maybe there is something to rethink?

    Another example from my work life. A decade or more ago I realized people I would work for most of the time wouldn't tell me if they weren't completely happy with some of my work. I think the average home owner isn't as assertive, or disagreeable, in this sense as a boss who is more selected for and required to point out problems. So I wasn't aware of and able to correct mistakes I was making and improve my work. I started asking for and seeking out criticisms and flaws. I generally don't like it, though most people are able to be nice about it. And even when its unpleasant or causes me to have to redo something at my expense it leads me to be better at what I do. I feel like this is a kinder thing than being told pleasantries that make me feel good. Though I guess it depends, often its nice when people let go of small things. It probably comes down again to a middle way.

    Joseph Goldstein talks about a practice of his where if he has a thought of generosity he does it no matter his subsequent thoughts. I think I remember him saying it almost always works out well. Though he is a serious Buddhist of 50 years so I'm sure his wisdom is pretty developed.

    I’m reminded of a Buddhist friend who was visiting her daughter in Canada. One winter’s day, she saw a notice calling for volunteers at a local soup kitchen. The kitchen was understaffed and needed help, especially during the cold months when demand was high. She took down the contact details, planning to reach out once she got home.

    But when she returned, she began to overthink. She asked herself why she wanted to help: Was it because I genuinely feel called to help others? Or is it just to appease my ego? To be able to say, “Hey everybody, look at me...I’m helping those in need. I’m such a kind and compassionate person." In the end, she went with the latter, and the soup kitchen missed out on much-needed help.

    This is no doubt some of my own hang up. I have a few weeks of food and supplies in case of an emergency. Some of it perishable enough, like soup cans, to need to be refreshed. So I donate it yearly to a food shelf. The first year while doing it I had those "do gooder", "what a good boy am I", "I'm better than the hoi poloi" feelings and I had a very strong negative reaction to it, not sure if it fully qualifies as revulsion or disgust, but for what ever reason it really doesn't agree with me. I continue to do it and I've been able to manage my attitude to make it more of a "no big deal" sort of thing, but they still arise.

    In the end, I think I do plenty of kind things in my life and the people around me generally think of me as a kind person. Maybe its all relative and I live amongst harder people in general?

    lobster
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    I had a thought that there may be a distinction between helpfulness and kindness so I asked AI and it claims there is. Though I hear more and more that AI hallucinates a lot, so it may just be giving me an answer because that it what it does, but the distinction makes sense to me.

    Yes, while helpfulness and kindness can overlap, they are distinct concepts. Helpfulness is primarily about providing aid or assistance, while kindness encompasses a broader range of actions, attitudes, and intentions, often involving empathy and a desire to do good for others.
    Here's a more detailed breakdown:
    Helpfulness:
    Focus:
    Providing practical assistance or aid to someone.
    Example:
    Offering to carry someone's groceries, helping someone fix a flat tire, or lending a helping hand during a difficult task.
    Motivation:
    Often driven by a desire to make things easier for others or to alleviate their burden.
    Can be detached:
    You can be helpful without necessarily being deeply empathetic or emotionally invested in the person you're helping.
    Kindness:
    Focus:
    A broader range of actions, attitudes, and intentions that demonstrate caring, compassion, and a desire to improve others' lives.
    Example:
    Listening empathetically to someone who is going through a difficult time, offering words of encouragement, volunteering your time, or making an effort to understand someone's perspective.
    Motivation:
    Often driven by a desire to connect with others, create a positive impact, and foster genuine relationships.
    Involves empathy and compassion:
    Kindness often involves understanding and sharing the feelings of others, and making an effort to improve their situation.
    Key Differences:
    Scope:
    Helpfulness is more focused on providing practical assistance, while kindness encompasses a wider range of actions and intentions.
    Motivation:
    Helpfulness can be driven by a desire to alleviate burden or make things easier, while kindness is often driven by empathy and a desire to improve others' lives.
    Emotional Connection:
    Helpfulness can be detached, while kindness often involves a deeper level of empathy and emotional connection.
    In essence: Being helpful can be a component of being kind, but kindness is a broader and more encompassing concept that goes beyond simply providing practical assistance.

    lobster
  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    For me a key question in thinking about kindness is, is it beneficial? You see a homeless man and give him 10 dollars, is he going to buy a bottle of cheap vodka or a sandwich? Even if you go with him and buy him a sandwich, have you truly done anything to move the needle? What would it take to make a long-lasting difference to this man’s life?

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think The liminal space Veteran

    @Jeroen said:
    For me a key question in thinking about kindness is, is it beneficial? You see a homeless man and give him 10 dollars, is he going to buy a bottle of cheap vodka or a sandwich? Even if you go with him and buy him a sandwich, have you truly done anything to move the needle? What would it take to make a long-lasting difference to this man’s life?

    I had a policy for a time to give when encountering someone begging. There aren't enough homeless where I live to become a burden. Since though I've wondered the same thing you mention and have instead started recording on my phone encounters and giving the same amount to charities that serve the homeless.

    marcitkoJeroen
  • Shoshin1Shoshin1 Sentient Being Oceania Veteran

    @Jeroen said:
    What would it take to make a long-lasting difference to this man’s life?

    Applying pressure on the government by whatever non-violent means possible, to invest more in lifting people out of poverty and supporting mental health services, is crucial. Real change often comes from persistent public pressure.

    Yes, giving to worthy charities is important, but that alone is just a band-aid on a festering wound. Our taxes should be used to support the many, not to enrich a privileged few at the expense of those struggling to get by.

    Jeroenlobster
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran

    ...support the many

    Not support the money, Moana leaser or manly. 'All for One and won for All' as Alex Dumas suggested.
    In other words kindness goes in many directions but starts with the intention to be kind.
    Individually it may be a risk but as Buddhists I feel it is Dharma.

    Like this lending library for birdies that I came across...

  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    Yes there is one not very far from here as well…

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