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personDon't believe everything you thinkThe liminal spaceVeteran
@Jeroen said:
As the article I quoted said, a 10% error rate may be acceptable when looking for a peanut sauce recipe, but imagine your CFO getting the wrong number one time in ten when writing up the financial year report.
Right, as impressive as much of what it can has been, it really isn't to the point of being able to replace a lot of things... yet.
I've mentioned other times in the thread that for a time the best chess "players" were a combination of humans and computers, then at some point computers dominated them too.
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JeroenNot all those who wander are lostNetherlandsVeteran
I think it may take 10 more years…
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personDon't believe everything you thinkThe liminal spaceVeteran
My opinion is about the same. I'd put my money on starting to see major changes in 3-5 years and I think there will be really world changing things coming in 5-10. Its hard to put a real time line on it as what do I really know and our systems and institutions are all so complex. But I think we're on the beach watching the water go out now and not really understanding what is coming.
I watched a series of his videos yesterday. A very noble initiative and wholesome channel. Thanks for sharing.
There was an update: someone from YT did get in contact with him and restored the comments.
I have no words to describe how this is just madness. How can we just dump so much responsibility into AI? Like...seriously...this rush...
Poor man. A quick summary now:
SBSK has been interviewing people with different kinds of ailments and disabilities to share with the world how to make connections with them, learn about those involved in a deeper way beyond their diagnosis, and also provide a platform for people to engage, share comments of support and even tips/advice via the YT comment section. Well, now those comments are gone and without even an explanation. The burnout behind this man is tremendous. Please share your support if you can!
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JeroenNot all those who wander are lostNetherlandsVeteran
It seems Elon Musk’s SpaceX IPO has not gone the way he wanted it to… after peaking at 225 dollars per share, the price is now down to 108 dollars, and it may have further to fall.
That means that xAI, Musks AI company, has near-zero value in the package that is a SpaceX share. Which may have something to do with the fact that federal employees, despite having a license te use Grok (xAI’s flagship LLM Ai), are turning to ChatGPT and Claude instead.
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personDon't believe everything you thinkThe liminal spaceVeteran
My opinion is about the same. I'd put my money on starting to see major changes in 3-5 years and I think there will be really world changing things coming in 5-10. Its hard to put a real time line on it as what do I really know and our systems and institutions are all so complex. But I think we're on the beach watching the water go out now and not really understanding what is coming.
I'm thinking that the tsunami metaphor is a bit flawed. I think the idea of AI overwhelming the world as we know it holds. But unlike a tsunami a portion of that change will be constructive and positive rather than simply destructive.
What might make for a better metaphor?
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JeroenNot all those who wander are lostNetherlandsVeteran
Perhaps a paradigm shift? It occurs to me that work before AI and work after AI will have decidedly different characteristics, which may well bear similarity to a paradigm shift…
People used to be computers (one of the tasks at early NASA)
Now hyped CEO's are making imaginary wealth (economic legal theft) out of a non working but as ever developing robot AI 'revolution'.
personDon't believe everything you thinkThe liminal spaceVeteran
@lobster said:
Marketing hype is not a product. Who guessed?
People used to be computers (one of the tasks at early NASA)
Now hyped CEO's are making imaginary wealth (economic legal theft) out of a non working but as ever developing robot AI 'revolution'.
I think of it like the dotcom bubble. There was a lot of hype and people threw lots of money at anything to do with the internet. Lots of people got rich overnight. Then the hype popped and lots of people lost it all overnight. But it wasn't because the internet was fake or that it went away.
(Also, wealth doesn't just come from taking it from one pile and moving to another. Its possible to make something new a valuable that creates wealth)
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personDon't believe everything you thinkThe liminal spaceVeteran
Something some teachers have been doing is to include words in white text into their essay questions. In this report the teacher put in the word Madagascar, in another I heard about the prompt "respond as if you're a pirate" was used. The students can't see the words but if its copy/pasted into AI it will read it.
The more meaningful thing is in the story here 32 of 35 students used AI and didn't check the work enough before handing it in. Human cognition is on its way out. I don't know what that will mean, to me it feels worrying, but Socrates worried that writing would ruin people's memory and it did, but we gained more for it. Will the loss of human cognition go the same route?
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JeroenNot all those who wander are lostNetherlandsVeteran
One other thing, chat bots are making human knowledge more available than ever before. For the research-minded it was already so, but now it’s all there in conversational chat format. I think we will see a certain knowledge fatigue set in sooner or later…
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personDon't believe everything you thinkThe liminal spaceVeteran
@Jeroen said:
One other thing, chat bots are making human knowledge more available than ever before. For the research-minded it was already so, but now it’s all there in conversational chat format. I think we will see a certain knowledge fatigue set in sooner or later…
Can you expand on knowledge fatigue? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I've heard about (mostly) kids who use AI for most of their thinking saying how they don't like doing it anymore, they just want to socialize or have fun, etc.
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JeroenNot all those who wander are lostNetherlandsVeteran
Knowledge fatigue as I have encountered it is getting tired of constantly having to learn new things. Conversations with AI chat bots often feature having to learn new concepts, this is but one aspect of this.
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personDon't believe everything you thinkThe liminal spaceVeteran
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@Jeroen said:
Knowledge fatigue as I have encountered it is getting tired of constantly having to learn new things. Conversations with AI chat bots often feature having to learn new concepts, this is but one aspect of this.
Yeah, I think this is along the same lines as my worry around the concern of Socrates that people would lose their ability to memorize things at the advent of writing. No need to learn when AI already knows all.
For myself I'm curious and aim to be a lifelong learner. So I tend to appreciate the way AI can help expand my knowledge on subjects I'm interested in, in an easily digestible way. But, yes, at times it gets to be overwhelming and I find myself sort of shutting down and just wanting ease and comfort over the effort and challenge.
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JeroenNot all those who wander are lostNetherlandsVeteran
Yes it is. It’s about the concern that people will just leave the hard tasks of thinking up to the AI’s. You already see this in the research on young adults and why they choose to use AI for schoolwork, and mostly it’s because they don’t feel like doing the hard work. I think very soon we will be so used to AI that we won’t be able to do without it.
I do think curiosity is a human trait, and everyone will query AIs to find things out, in much the same way that we periodically dip into Wikipedia. But that is different from a directed course of study, which teaches us a whole field of knowledge in breadth and depth. You typically only take a course if you have to for your work…
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Right, as impressive as much of what it can has been, it really isn't to the point of being able to replace a lot of things... yet.
I've mentioned other times in the thread that for a time the best chess "players" were a combination of humans and computers, then at some point computers dominated them too.
I think it may take 10 more years…
My opinion is about the same. I'd put my money on starting to see major changes in 3-5 years and I think there will be really world changing things coming in 5-10. Its hard to put a real time line on it as what do I really know and our systems and institutions are all so complex. But I think we're on the beach watching the water go out now and not really understanding what is coming.
I watched a series of his videos yesterday. A very noble initiative and wholesome channel. Thanks for sharing.
There was an update: someone from YT did get in contact with him and restored the comments.
It seems Elon Musk’s SpaceX IPO has not gone the way he wanted it to… after peaking at 225 dollars per share, the price is now down to 108 dollars, and it may have further to fall.
That means that xAI, Musks AI company, has near-zero value in the package that is a SpaceX share. Which may have something to do with the fact that federal employees, despite having a license te use Grok (xAI’s flagship LLM Ai), are turning to ChatGPT and Claude instead.
I'm thinking that the tsunami metaphor is a bit flawed. I think the idea of AI overwhelming the world as we know it holds. But unlike a tsunami a portion of that change will be constructive and positive rather than simply destructive.
What might make for a better metaphor?
Perhaps a paradigm shift? It occurs to me that work before AI and work after AI will have decidedly different characteristics, which may well bear similarity to a paradigm shift…
Marketing hype is not a product. Who guessed?
People used to be computers (one of the tasks at early NASA)
Now hyped CEO's are making imaginary wealth (economic legal theft) out of a non working but as ever developing robot AI 'revolution'.
https://youtube.com/shorts/jvQdFe8FPCw
I think of it like the dotcom bubble. There was a lot of hype and people threw lots of money at anything to do with the internet. Lots of people got rich overnight. Then the hype popped and lots of people lost it all overnight. But it wasn't because the internet was fake or that it went away.
(Also, wealth doesn't just come from taking it from one pile and moving to another. Its possible to make something new a valuable that creates wealth)
Something some teachers have been doing is to include words in white text into their essay questions. In this report the teacher put in the word Madagascar, in another I heard about the prompt "respond as if you're a pirate" was used. The students can't see the words but if its copy/pasted into AI it will read it.
The more meaningful thing is in the story here 32 of 35 students used AI and didn't check the work enough before handing it in. Human cognition is on its way out. I don't know what that will mean, to me it feels worrying, but Socrates worried that writing would ruin people's memory and it did, but we gained more for it. Will the loss of human cognition go the same route?
One other thing, chat bots are making human knowledge more available than ever before. For the research-minded it was already so, but now it’s all there in conversational chat format. I think we will see a certain knowledge fatigue set in sooner or later…
Can you expand on knowledge fatigue? I'm not exactly sure what you mean. I've heard about (mostly) kids who use AI for most of their thinking saying how they don't like doing it anymore, they just want to socialize or have fun, etc.
Knowledge fatigue as I have encountered it is getting tired of constantly having to learn new things. Conversations with AI chat bots often feature having to learn new concepts, this is but one aspect of this.
Yeah, I think this is along the same lines as my worry around the concern of Socrates that people would lose their ability to memorize things at the advent of writing. No need to learn when AI already knows all.
For myself I'm curious and aim to be a lifelong learner. So I tend to appreciate the way AI can help expand my knowledge on subjects I'm interested in, in an easily digestible way. But, yes, at times it gets to be overwhelming and I find myself sort of shutting down and just wanting ease and comfort over the effort and challenge.
Yes it is. It’s about the concern that people will just leave the hard tasks of thinking up to the AI’s. You already see this in the research on young adults and why they choose to use AI for schoolwork, and mostly it’s because they don’t feel like doing the hard work. I think very soon we will be so used to AI that we won’t be able to do without it.
I do think curiosity is a human trait, and everyone will query AIs to find things out, in much the same way that we periodically dip into Wikipedia. But that is different from a directed course of study, which teaches us a whole field of knowledge in breadth and depth. You typically only take a course if you have to for your work…