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My Don'ts And Dos

What I don't do:

  • I don't, through personal effort, try to follow the 8FP
  • I don't, though personal effort, try to keep Precepts

What I do:

  • Meditate. Shamatha, to be precise.

From discussion with senior students, mentors, and respected teachers, I've come to believe:

  • to make a personal effort to do these things, introduces an element of self that is counterproductive to realization
  • The Buddha, according to tradition, didn't "keep" precepts or the 8 elements of the path. He meditated.
  • Shamatha has been taught to me as a "complete practice", and will lead to enlightenment.
  • As enlightenment approaches, the 8FP and Precepts will fall into line and manifest as a result, naturally, and not by any personal effort on my part.
  • Enlightenment and Buddhahood is the result of meditation.

Your mileage may differ and I respect that. This is just what I do and don't do

FleaMarketShoshin1Ren_in_blacklobsterBunks

Comments

  • From what I gather, practicing the Dharma is a 24/7/365 thing which permeates every aspect of one's life....On and off the cushion....

    A teacher once said ( I can't remember who) "The real meditation begins when you leave the cushion"...

    In a sense, time spent on the cushion can be likened to priming one's mind to deal with things to come off the cushion .... putting it in go with the flow mode, so to speak...

    Ren_in_blacklobsterpaulysotoo
  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    That seems like a fair approach to the Dhamma, I heard it said once that all of the Buddhas teachings could be found from just one.

    IdleChaterlobstermarcitko
  • HOORAY!

    I does that shouting. 🤓

    Great OP (original post) and comments 😌🙏🦞

    I very much value continual strain-less meditation that @Shoshin1 mentions.

    I totally appreciate the value of personal do and do more of (rather than any daunts/don'ts)

    I do recognize (a) I am the center of my world and (b) I am not the center of the world
    I do get comfortable

    I am never comfortable, until everyone is. I must be one of them their Boddhisattvians …

    I take refuge/protection/inspiration in the three jewels: Me, myself and I and I
    Or as they are sometimes known: Buddha, dharma and sangha … 🥳🤫🫠

    JeroenLionduck
  • "I am never comfortable, until everyone is. I must be one of them their Boddhisattvians."

    Bodhissatvas are quite comfortable in their being.
    Bodhissatvas are are quite uncomfortable as unnecessary suffdering exists in the world.

    that said, be most comfortably uncomfortable.

    Peace to all

    lobster
  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    @IdleChater

    What is Shamatha?

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    i did google search, shamatha is calm abiding? in zen peace is clear abiding ,seeing the nature of a thing. in tantra i use object as meditation to find the same nature same to our S. A. M,(effectionally..antha) i do Sam oneness. doing that happyness sometimes bliss emerge her empty nature.

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    @IdleChater

    curious whats your religious flavor?

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    @Shoshin1 said:

    From what I gather, practicing the Dharma is a 24/7/365 thing which permeates every aspect of one's life....On and off the cushion....

    A teacher once said ( I can't remember who) "The real meditation begins when you leave the cushion"...

    In a sense, time spent on the cushion can be likened to priming one's mind to deal with things to come off the cushion .... putting it in go with the flow mode, so to speak...

    my friend i too love my sit session. how's your zen just be through the 4 season?

  • IdleChaterIdleChater USA Veteran

    @paulysotoo said:
    @IdleChater

    curious whats your religious flavor?

    Karma Kagyu

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    @IdleChater

    thank you. i consider the vajriana path wonderful in its ownright. if zen is a jet, vajri is a rocket to space.

  • lobsterlobster Veteran

    Don't's I don't have any of those.

    Do's

    1. Do do's
    2. Do better
    3. Do undone's
    4. Do be dooby Do ... Strangers in the night ~ Frank SInatra

    paulysotooIdleChater
  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    @lobster said:
    4. Do be dooby Do ... Strangers in the night ~ Frank SInatra

    song,how romantic....serendepity is wonderful.

    IdleChater
  • IdleChaterIdleChater USA Veteran
    edited May 2

    @paulysotoo said:
    @IdleChater

    thank you.

    You're welcome. I guess ...

    i consider the vajriana path wonderful in its ownright.

    That's nice. ;-)

  • IdleChaterIdleChater USA Veteran

    @lobster said:
    Don't's I don't have any of those.

    Do's

    1. Do do's
    2. Do better
    3. Do undone's
    4. Do be dooby Do ... Strangers in the night ~ Frank SInatra

    Such a knack for trivializing the important, or momentous.

    lobster
  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    @IdleChater said:
    Such a knack for trivializing the important, or momentous.

    Humour is important, and shouldn’t be underestimated. The Zen masters knew this very well.

    lobster
  • IdleChaterIdleChater USA Veteran

    @Jeroen said:

    @IdleChater said:
    Such a knack for trivializing the important, or momentous.

    Humour is important, and shouldn’t be underestimated. The Zen masters knew this very well.

    Well, I don't think our dear friend is a Zen Master, or anything approaching it. He's a ...... lobster. Some people like his sense of humor. It's a bit contrived. I don't think that's a bad thing, I don't really care. But I don't find it funny.

    lobster
  • IdleChaterIdleChater USA Veteran
    edited May 2

    @paulysotoo said:
    i consider the vajriana path wonderful in its ownright. if zen is a jet, vajri is a rocket to space.

    Well, the first training you must undertake, is to write the word Vajrayana 108 times.

    Consider this something like Marpa telling Milarepa to build a tower.

  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    @IdleChater said:
    Well, I don't think our dear friend is a Zen Master, or anything approaching it. He's a ...... lobster. Some people like his sense of humor. It's a bit contrived. I don't think that's a bad thing, I don't really care. But I don't find it funny.

    The online Zen Master is everywhere, hiding in all kinds of disguises, just waiting to pop out from behind some seemingly-absurd text to surprise the unwary. May your path be lightened by his presence this morning…

    lobsterIdleChater
  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    @IdleChater said:

    @paulysotoo said:
    i consider the vajriana path wonderful in its ownright. if zen is a jet, vajri is a rocket to space.

    Well, the first training you must undertake, is to write the word Vajrayana 108 times.

    Consider this something like Marpa telling Milarepa to build a tower.

    consider it done in one mathacalculus gibberish that leads to 108 times written in my heart:[E^3]=MC^2: Vajia(h.h. QUAN YIN)[E^3]YA-(na(Ye))/0^108=1+0+8 leads to 9=69 tantra.

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    VaJia is pussy power. ,h.h. is her holiness QY,= oneness...simple math of the relation S.A.M...Source Animated Matter of the heart

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    Oh.. extra dessert homework for me: E^3=MC^2..is Mu. TY MAA DHARMA DIAMOND ROSE Path. So DDD=Shakti grace.

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    Love pussy power the lioness roar of Tara. and ddd tits is sexy and nourishing to man baby pauly. zen nonsense. playing with my tara in my heart.

  • paulysotoopaulysotoo usa Explorer

    @IdleChater said:

    @paulysotoo said:
    i consider the vajriana path wonderful in its ownright. if zen is a jet, vajri is a rocket to space.

    Well, the first training you must undertake, is to write the word Vaj-ray

    vaj-ray-ana is nice. light and rain is the rhyme and reason mu=um. mindless idle chater to i making. love the diamond heart of tara earth.

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