Then what makes you consider your “more raucous” expressions as authentically religious, @how? How would you describe the feeling?
Jeroen
This is certainly an opinion coming from my perspective, so I don't want to claim that this is the ultimate, best way for everyone at all times, etc.
I've held this view over the years that there is a spectrum of a view on how to live in the world.
On one end you have people who want to be hearty and resilient to life's challenges but don't put much stock in the beauty of the individual. I think of this sort of attitude as like lichen (the thing that lives on rocks). Lichen can grow and live in very harsh conditions, you can walk on it and it will be fine, etc.
On the other end of this spectrum are people who want to be beautiful people but don't put much stock in being hearty and resilient to life's challenges. I think of this sort of attitude as being like a hot house orchid. Orchids are incredibly beautiful flowers. But if you change the humidity or temperature by a few degrees will wilt and die.
I prefer being more like wild flowers (or maybe for myself more like day lilies). They are also beautiful, but thrive in the open, wild spaces. They can stand up to fluctuating conditions and bounce back if trodden on.
person
I would suggest that as long as your search for a truly authentically religious person is subject to your own conditioned ideals and is limited to something outside of yourself, you are unlikely to meet what you claim to be searching for.
how
Letting go of games
Hmm.....shouldn't the thread title be "Lets play games" ...
How many of you players are now ex-players ?
Shoshin1
If I need to go thru rebirth again then there must be something I need to learn before I can go home.
My cousin + partner, have spent their health, monies and even at times, sanity, on building and rebuilding a house and garden. They have a lovely home, garden, visitors, family and lifestyle.
They feel they have built this. In one sense, their house and garden etc has built them. In other words, our roles and efforts, maintain our life and dictate the results of our path.
You want to go home? You are. Now, walk the walk and talk the talk. Mostly be the Bodhi not the bondage.
lobster
@Shoshin1 said:
Letting go of games
Hmm.....shouldn't the thread title be "Lets play games" ...
How many of you players are now ex-players ?
It’s become quite a wide-ranging discussion, that’s true, in which we’ve contemplated playing a number of different games. I’m still staying away from computer games though, so I count myself as an ex-player, and @person and @marcitko are also mostly clear of the woods.
Jeroen
“When you are deluded, there is a world to escape.
When you are aware, there is nothing to escape.”
— Bodhidharma
Jeroen
Kind of a Buddhist quote:
"Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate."
~Carl Jung~ (honorary Buddhist)
Shoshin1
@Lostie said:
In the movie, the female lead had to die because of the bad things (eg beheading) a Japanese soldier did during WW2. In fact she was beheaded by some crazy guy.That means karma debt is not individual specific but shared among all. We can pay for what others have done. However, what we can do in the present life is still to do good to accumulate good karma but we may or may not enjoy the fruits.
Is that the right view on karma? i.e. Karma is universal and not individual specific. Thanks.
I think it's a mixed bag. That karma works individually and inclusively. If we emit negativity, negativity follows "like the wheel that follows the foot of the ox" and likewise with positivity. If we help others and we know there is no seperation there, we are helping ourself as well.
I do think shared karma is a thing because I see rebirth like the hydrological system here on Earth.
Better the devil you know???
With an unchecked mind (a mind filled with ignorance), we are all capable of committing great evil when in a position of power, and both men have acted in ways that prove this to be true.
Power Corrupts! And Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely!
Shoshin1