@Shoshin1 said:
Went over to the city yesterday afternoon...
On the way back I became mesmerised by the sky and clouds...
Leaving Downtown Auckland with the Harbour bridge in view...
Just arriving in Matiatia bay you can see some of Auckland city's tall building in the distance
I stopped to take this of the sunsetting over Matiatia carpark
And last but not least ...I drove past my driveway and followed
the sunsetting over Owhanake bay and the beautiful cloud colours..
Wow! @Shoshin1 your neck of the woods is beautiful. What a beautiful part of the world you live in. 💚🙏💚
@Dakini said:
@ollaimh said:
the big lesson is to remember that many teachers can teach good, well tried practices but be unenlightened. best to not get too close. learn the practice and stay at arms length.
in the sakyas i used to hear the saying."sit only close enough to the teacher to hear the teaching"
This is a good one. I haven't heard that before. One thing that impressed me with the Sakyas in Seattle is that they run a clean show. No funny business. They got a very good orientation from the Tibetan Studies professor who brought them to the US in the 60's, and their monastery has an insurance policy that requires the avoidance of anything, including behavior, that could lead to a lawsuit. One of the Sakya matrons would gather together newbies to the sangha, and teach a little mini-course as an orientation to proper dress and behavior during teachings, and so forth. It was a good introduction to Tibetan culture and behavioral norms in a religious context, too.
i can't say enough good things about sakyas in seattle vancouver and vancouver island. they are all great. i may ditch my present practices some day and go back to jeston kushock's v.y.. it's deep full rich and transcendnt.
now i have to deal with too many trungpa students. i like a lot of what the group i'm in does but the trungpa students are taxing.
ollaimh
my greater concern is the sexual abuse. trungpa had sex with a lot of students, many undrr ge while in canada. in canada the age of consent with a person who stands in a position of authority is twenty one years of age. moreover there had to be senior students who knew what was up and covered up from authorities. both are unethical. i have tried to discuss this with people and they can often go ballistic. i have been tols this is wrong speech. i think defending the vunerable is never wrong speech. i now quote such people dudjom rimpoche's saying:"ethics are the highest dharma".
ollaimh
@ollaimh said:
the big lesson is to remember that many teachers can teach good, well tried practices but be unenlightened. best to not get too close. learn the practice and stay at arms length.
in the sakyas i used to hear the saying."sit only close enough to the teacher to hear the teaching"
This is a good one. I haven't heard that before. One thing that impressed me with the Sakyas in Seattle is that they run a clean show. No funny business. They got a very good orientation from the Tibetan Studies professor who brought them to the US in the 60's, and their monastery has an insurance policy that requires the avoidance of anything, including behavior, that could lead to a lawsuit. One of the Sakya matrons would gather together newbies to the sangha, and teach a little mini-course as an orientation to proper dress and behavior during teachings, and so forth. It was a good introduction to Tibetan culture and behavioral norms in a religious context, too.
Everyone has responsibility and accountability. That includes students to know what they are getting into and to discern and ask questions and seek out other understanding if they are unsure. That is really easy to do now, thank goodness. In the 70s and before with no internet, it was a different story and many Eastern gurus of all sorts of disciplines ran into problems with students. Some of them rightfully. Some of them because of a lack of understanding of politicians and others who created problems where they didn't exist because of their own religious beliefs and fears. The timeline of the whole peace and love hippie revolution during the same time Trungpa was teaching no doubt blurred those lines more.
karasti
Hi friends, been a minute since I checked in. How are you all?
I just approved a bunch of new members (I'd forgotten to check for a few months), so I hope they all filter in. Do reach out if I accidentally allowed any spammers in, hard to tell sometimes and I'd rather let a couple spammers by than block any legitimate folks.
We don't have a formal rules doc (which we should, but that's another discussion) so I wanted to pop in and set an expectation about using LLMs ("large language models" like ChatGPT and its kin, often called "AI") here:
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Thanks all!
Linc
@lobster said:
Watched the Documentary "Going Clear" about Scientology. Fascinating.
I saw it some time ago, and also saw Louis Theroux’s My Scientology Movie about the same time. Indeed fascinating, but also more than a little scary.
Jeroen
What I find good about BK’s process is that it leads you to question your own beliefs, the things that you used to be certain about. It encourages you to look at those beliefs from a new direction. Especially within relationships this can be liberating.
Jeroen
Which remind me of this....
I Am just a thought who thinks 'I Am' thinking I Am just a thought
There's a couple on the island who regularly run BK's courses...
I haven't been to them but a few years ago, I did attended a half day BK workshop which a Buddhist psychologist friend was running.
I found her techniques interesting and compatible with Buddhist practice of observing the mind AKA mindfulness ...
I've had a few friends over the years who have done one of her courses...not sure if they have really benefited from it...It' a case of some will benefit greatly from the course, and some will not...
When it comes to Buddhism and Byron Katie's approach, both approaches emphasise the power of inquiry and introspection to challenge and transcend the influence of conditioned thoughts and beliefs, with the aim of ultimately fostering inner peace and liberation
Shoshin1
I wouldn't be surprised if Byron Katie like other Western modern day gurus had read a few spiritual books which left a lasting impression, planting a seed in the mind, germinating into a personalise Western style version of an ancient Eastern mind taming and training techniques....
In some cases when a person's life has reached rock bottom, empty, nothing to lose, example Byron Katie, Eckhart Tolle...the mind is fertile soil, some are fortunate enough to plant the right seeds ....one could say karma....
Shoshin1