@lobster said:
Are these ideas things?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_precepts_(Taoism)
The further I go in the spiritual life, the more I leave all precepts behind and just live a simple, natural life with an extra helping of kindness and compassion. It just seems that the energy behind forbidding yourself things is naturally somewhat violent, it’s like you do yourself an injury.
I think in a way this is true for the Five Buddhist Precepts as well. Take “do not kill”, in a way any animal kills other animals from time to time, a cow’s tail is a built-in fly swatter, an elephant will step on ants from time to time. Even plants can be said to be alive, and without eating plants the whole animal kingdom would vanish. So it is natural for human beings to also kill from time to time, but living with kindness means that you do not want to.
In essence I think instructions of the kind “don’t live with anger or hatred in your heart” or “don’t feel envious” which are in the Ten Taoist Precepts are not helpful. They lead to denying emotions and thus repression, which will lead to a buildup of negative energy in the unconscious. If you can explain to people the thought patterns of the ego, the bad sides of my-making and identification, you can arrive at states of growth where these things drop away naturally and much more easily.
It’s better to develop one’s natural patterns of life, than to adopt a series of rules about how one’s heart and mind should behave, which you then have to struggle to keep. Better to think of these Taoist precepts as goals one can try to grow towards, and in the process mindfully examine the roots of for example your anger or hatred.
Jeroen
Wow, I never heard of the Swiss Method of treating green coffee beans to make decaf. You learn something new everyday, although I think this is real “coffee nerd” knowledge, haha 😂
Jeroen
Are these ideas things?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ten_precepts_(Taoism)
lobster
Ah, yes.
A lifetime of memories-the pleasures and joy, sadness and regret.
"But whoever develops mindfulness of death, thinking, 'O, that I might live for the interval that it takes to swallow having chewed up one morsel of food... for the interval that it takes to breathe out after breathing in, or to breathe in after breathing out, that I might attend to the Blessed One's instructions. I would have accomplished a great deal' — they are said to dwell heedfully. They develop mindfulness of death acutely for the sake of ending the effluents.
"Therefore you should train yourselves: 'We will dwell heedfully. We will develop mindfulness of death acutely for the sake of ending the effluents.' That is how you should train yourselves."
https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an06/an06.019.than.html
Afa the specific example you gave, how in the world would you enforce that? Have everyone at the talk sign an NDA? You can’t possibly control the mouths of others.As the teacher , All you can do is stand on business. You say what you say, and clarify if need be. Otherwise, not gossiping or lying about conversations or breaking the confidence of others or even repeating stories the correct way intended by the other person is an everyday problem with people in general. Family, co workers, etc. ……Right speech isn’t just a holy issue. Not to mention… when someone in a particular power dynamic/imbalance says, don’t go tell anyone this…. It’s usually a red flag.
Vastmind
I found this a really interesting critique of the processes of Big Tech, where a service starts good and cheap, and becomes large and entrenched, and then becomes noticeably poor value for customers. Enshittification, it is also called.
Jeroen
Respect that is limited to holy people, just points out how little respect we have for everyone else.
As long as teachers allow students to simply swap gross attachments for more refined versions of the same, suffering for both teachers & students, will be inevitable.
how
I was encouraged, humbled, and enjoyed watching this video yesterday:
Edit: oops, this was supposed to go in the Israel-Palestine thread. But I guess it fits in nicely here too.
When Israel was re-established in 1948, the land the Palestinians were inhabiting stretched into Jordan and Egypt and the border into Lebanon was also further into Lebanon. These countries refused the Palestinians that land. Other countries like Syria and Iraq deemed this "avoiding the Palestinian refugee problem" Why are these countries not being held accountable as well?
Some Arab countries in the region did provide some support to Palestinian refugees, including humanitarian aid and setting up refugee camps. However, the decision to not fully integrate Palestinian refugees into their societies was influenced by political considerations, concerns about national identity, and to maintain pressure on Israel to address the refugee issue which they created.
However the responsibility for finding a solution lies with all parties involved, including neighboring Arab countries, Israel, the Palestinians, and the international community. And the spanner in the works is it would seem the US veto power...
Shoshin1