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Re: Making amends for past wrongs...
@FleaMarket said:
Incredible, @Tosh . Welcome back and congrats on the reconnect!
Thank you. She's a financial advisor. I suspect her mum pushed her into it.
After being ripped off by one, I've always disliked financial advisors.
It's weird looking into the face of another adult and seeing yourself, but far prettier, looking back.
Tosh
Re: Words cannot encapsulate reality
@Jeroen
The words are only an abstraction though. If your concept of ‘sad’ or ‘red’ is much more vibrant than mine, it becomes difficult to find common ground.
Yes, words are only an abstract of thought or perception.
The limitation of words can be a barrier, sometimes that is so.
However, our words enable us to approximate our conception, our perceptions, our feelings. In that function, words, though "limited", can carify.
Feelings, experiences, emotions, thoughts are so often beyond the ability to put into words, in any language. However, words do push us in the direction of comprehension.
It s the habit of the Mentors to use words to provide us with a direction, no matter how straight or convoluted, to seek our understanding, our awakening, to embark and continue upon our roads of discovery. This is as true for the engineer, the artisan, the seeker of the way, the chef, the child upon the bicycle.
Peace to all
Lionduck
Re: Making amends for past wrongs...
Nice to see you @Tosh … it’s good to see these old threads from the forum’s past, there’s a lot of good stuff in there.
Jeroen
Re: Life creates order
Life’s ability to sustain itself and temporarily hold impermanence at bay is far more interesting than order vs chaos, in my mind.
Jeroen
Re: Life creates order
Without entropy seeds would have to painstakingly placed where they are to sprout rather than just distribute far and wide by wind or by other entropic process.
Jeffrey
Re: Life creates order
Brief: Indeed, life creates order for life is orderly chaos.
One might say that life is chaos channeled so as to appear orderly.
Life is what makes sense and purpose of the chaos.
Embrace the chaos, it is a function of life as life is a function of chaos.
Beautiful either way.
Peace to all
Lionduck
Re: Life creates order
@David said:
I think chaos is order misunderstood as all things have a cause.
The order of physics and geological processes is not order on a more macro scale. Life replicates itself, it creates structures like a beehive or a birds nest. It creates more of itself, a few penguins will create a colony of penguins who huddle together against the cold.
Jeroen
Re: Life creates order
@David said:
Does life create order or does order create life?
I suppose both at some level. I would phrase it as order creates and sustains life and life creates and maintains order.
I think chaos is order misunderstood as all things have a cause.
I think we're talking about degrees here. The level of order and chaos matters.
person
Re: Words cannot encapsulate reality
I kind of think of it like using an ice cube to describe water. Reality flows, whereas language and really even thoughts and emotions, freeze reality into something discrete and isolated.
person
Re: Life creates order
@Jeroen said:
You may have heard that impermanence creates suffering. That because of the nature of continuous change, we find that that which we wish for is taken away from us, and that which we wish not to have is given to us.
I don't think impermanence makes us suffer. Our wanting things to be different makes us suffer. Impermanence is what gives us life and the possibility of awakening.
But what also happens is life creates order, and things fitting together, and life also maintains organisms. So in a way life keeps suffering at bay, until it becomes old and can no longer fulfil its function.
Does life create order or does order create life?
