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The Mahayana didn't invent emptiness!

DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
edited July 2015 in Philosophy

Here it is in the Phena Suttta:
https://suttacentral.net/en/sn22.95

“Form is like a lump of foam,
Feeling like a water bubble;
Perception is like a mirage,
Volitions like a plantain trunk,
And consciousness like an illusion,
So explained the Kinsman of the Sun."

“However one may ponder it
And carefully investigate it,
It appears but hollow and void
When one views it carefully."

EarthninjaCinorjerDavidbookwormJeffreyVastmindlobsterDaozen

Comments

  • ShoshinShoshin No one in particular Nowhere Special Veteran

    "The Mahayana didn't invent emptiness!"

    I suppose it just appeared out of thin air :)

    Zenshinsilver
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited July 2015

    No, I believe that what @SpinyNorman means, is that it was expanded on in Pali/Theravada FIRST.

  • ShoshinShoshin No one in particular Nowhere Special Veteran

    Does it 'matter' ?

    RodrigoEarthninjaInvincible_summer
  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran

    I feel the best Mahayana teachings are those that expand on and expound Theravada.

    That could just be personal taste though.

    Invincible_summerlobster
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited July 2015

    @Shoshin said:
    Does it 'matter' ?

    'It' does 'to' "some".....

    EarthninjaInvincible_summer
  • ShoshinShoshin No one in particular Nowhere Special Veteran

    True enough, I guess for those involved in the Buddhist turf wars....

    Vastmind
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    We were here first, Nah-nah-ne-nyah-naaah!

    :lol:

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran

    I thought the Mahayana just made everything up right to stop people from entering jhana? just kidding :p

    Earthninja
  • EarthninjaEarthninja Wanderer West Australia Veteran

    Not to mention the only "buddhist meditation" is Vipassana

    All the others have Yogic. Anapansati, Zazen etc.

    Dhyana became Chan, became Zen.
    Buddha was originally a yogi as well.

    Not many Buddhists mention this.

  • lobsterlobster Veteran
    edited July 2015

    Long live the Hinayana! :3 [oops]

    We tighten and confirm the sutras, through our experience and practice. Often emptied of sensible, need or means to communicate ... well that may just be me ...

    Thanks for the Phena reference, may those with socks removed, look inside and find themselves ...

    I have updated to post Mahayana and added stockings ... o:)

    “Socks blown off like an empty pair,
    Feeling like a wet pair unworn;
    Perception is like a designer pair,
    Volitions like a chosen design,
    And consciousness like a sock in the mouth,
    So explained the Kinsman of the Sun."

    “However one may ponder it
    And carefully investigate it,
    It appears but hollow and void
    When one views it carefully."

    Zenshin
  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran

    We're all lost socks in the laundromat of oblivion..... ;)

    lobsterZenshinsilver
  • No but emptiness invented Mahayana :)

    Shoshin
  • KaldenYungdrungKaldenYungdrung Netherlands Explorer

    @SpinyNorman said:
    Here it is in the Phena Suttta:
    https://suttacentral.net/en/sn22.95

    “Form is like a lump of foam,
    Feeling like a water bubble;
    Perception is like a mirage,
    Volitions like a plantain trunk,
    And consciousness like an illusion,
    So explained the Kinsman of the Sun."

    “However one may ponder it
    And carefully investigate it,
    It appears but hollow and void
    When one views it carefully."

    Emptiness cannot be owned by a spiritual tradition, science etc.
    Emptiness is not created and will not end it does encompass everything and everything comes out of this emptiness.
    Emptiness does not have a creator, owner.
    Emptiness does not has a self
    The realisation of this emptiness is equal to Buddhahood
    This Buddhahood is inherent in the human beings dormant present
    So this Emptiness is the base of Enlightenment as well of illusion
    This emptiness encompasses everything

    KY

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