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suffering/Dukka
upekka
Veteran
whatever arises is suffering/Dukka
do you agree to this?
if not why?
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arises with grasping or without grasping?
and who perceives?
You lied, by the way. Or you have a short memory...
5 new threads later....
concentrate the mind and develop the Insight bit further
you would know
i am not
whenever i want to say something 'i' arises
without the help of 'i', communication is impossible
ok,
if you (mean whoever read this) can get the translation of the following, i rest my case in this court/forum
get a translation into english from 1:20
Trust me I'm trying. Even though my patience is in an equal predicament....
@upekka ??? What????
Is my going for a mindful walk, without grasping or clinging, dukkha? It is harmless but causes sensation to arise, without clinging to sensual pleasure there should be no consequence. It is a neutral action.
Good
if you do not clinging to that senation and to that neutral action then the problem solves for ever
This thread and the other "who is..." one leave me feeling like I am reading a very mixed up version of "Who's on First"
It seems anything that arises is like those fountains that squirt out of the ground at water parks or other places. The problem isn't the water shooting out (or the arising thought) the problem is when we think we can chase and grab the water, only to find it always slips through our fingers.
Yes....With a clinging and grasping mind 'unsatifactoriness' arises when things pass away...This due to the impermanent nature of phenomena...
So "May I clearly perceive all experiences to be as insubstantial as the dream fabric of the night, and instantly awaken to perceive the pure wisdom displayed in the "arising" of every phenomena!"
Why not....
Right. So -
Is not correct.
Our perception of
is suffering/Dhukka.
Depending on the depth of our perception, that is.
Hence one aspect of Right View.
I think that clears this one up.
Are we to have more of these threads or could you maybe give it a bit of a rest now, @upekka?
tldr;
My brain hurts. What's the point of all your riddle posts Upekka?
to really prove that wathever arises is suffering/Dukka
Does this include coffee? Is coffee with cream and sukkah? Or dukkah? Decaffeinated? "flavored" coffee?
In a way, he's right. Whatever arises is conditioned and therefore has the seed of dukkha.
The unconditioned or Nirvanic state does not arise or belong to impermanence. That is why it is described as the end of ignorance and dukkha. However a dukkha or emotive/ignorant/body/mind component continues the awareness or experience of dukkha just as there is an awareness of a non-dual underlay ...
One day the Master announced that a young monk had reached an advanced state of enlightenment. The news caused some stir. Some of the monks went to see the young monk. "We heard you are enlightened. Is that true?" they asked.
"It is," he replied.
"And how do you feel?"
"As miserable as ever," said the monk.
Ay caramba!
http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/18865/enlightened-or-not-nothing-changes-and-the-earth-still-spins
Hmmm, whats wrong with this monk, he has achived enlightenment and he is still not happy? Now he want his money back?
it seems some of you do not want to go into the deapth of Buddha's Teaching with 'thama thama nana pamanin/ pacchanthan vethi thbbo'
if you (whoever go through this thread and few other threads) really pay attention and try to see the moon by looking at the moon instead of looking at the finger you would have answer to your own question
you would see you have come half way through Buddha's Teaching
studing Attakavagga rightly fit in from this on wards
i would say 'studing' is not enough 'we have to see what we have study within'
still he has the first arrow but he successfully removed the second arrow
Youtubes in Sinhalese are definitely dukkha.
I swear by that one???
With all due respect, please drop the Theravada path, @upekka and embrace the Zen path.
It will simplify things way soooo much for you.
(And for us, by extension)
Is change dukkha or is it how we perceive and deal with change?
Just a thinkance that deserves no answer or even acknowledgment.
Ultimately all these teachings are an attempt to release and re-train the mind... as Bodhidharma said, "if you can understand the mind, all else is included."
Is it really possible to separate 'change' and our perception of it?
of course
first know what the perception is
then practice how to reduce arising it and gain a concentrated mind (a period without perception/ jhana)
then there is a possibility to see the 'change'
then there is a possibility to see the 'suffering'
then there is a possibility to see the 'non-self'
this is not the end
but from this onwards there is a knowing to be mindful and 'let go'
once this process is completed (it depends on the effort) there is liberation/unbinding/nibbana
at least one must try to see the 'change', 'suffering' and 'non-self' in this life time
if not it is an utter waste of the life one got
irony is that one does not understand the value of this 'first stage' until one sees 'change', 'suffering' and 'non-self'
that is why, at the beginning we have to have faith in Buddha's words
then we must try to test them and see whether there is any truth in them
if possible to see truth in them, then no need of faith, because knowing itself strengthen the knowing
the key word is Insight meditation
How do you see 'change' without that seeing being a perception?
is this question arises after practicing 'how to reduce arising the perception and gain a concentrated mind (a period without perception/ jhana)'?
Does THAT question arise after practising "how to reduce arising the perception and gain a concentrated mind (a period without perception/ jhana)"...?
We could go on like this ad infinitem, @upekka. But that would just get more and more irritating.
Wouldn't it?
Rather like "I know that you know that I know that you know that I know that you know the answer, but I know that you know that I know that you know that I know that you know you won't answer it."
Is change dukkha?
If it were so there would be no escape since all things are constantly undergoing change. Some changes are in fact not dukkha like the disappearance of pain.
It is only dukkha when one unrealistically expect pleasant conditions to remain.
yes, if one just think about it one gets more and more questions and get irritated and get tired too
but if one do Insight meditation, one would be a step closer to the answer and one feels like doing more and more Insight meditation to get into the depth of the Teaching
No, impermenance is not dukka
because of the impermenance, there is dukka
there are three kinds of feeling as we heard/read in Buddha's Teaching (pain, pleasure, neither-pleasure-nor-pain/dukka, suka, upekka)
unless we will be able to see these without the involvment of a perception we can not see what exactly is the change or impermenance
always we find my headache, i have a pain in my leg etc.
true
but one should know the reality too
by the way here after i do not want to response to this thread because it seems some members have complained that my responses made them agitated
i never intended to do so
sorry guys
Much Metta to you @upekka .?
No because things like upekka also arise!
upekka is, by definition, not Dukka