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Soto Vs Rinzai

HozanHozan Veteran
in Faith & Religion

https://hubpages.com/religion-philosophy/Soto-and-Rinzai-Japans-Major-Schools-of-Zen-Buddhism

An interesting article on the main differences between the Soto and Rinzai schools of Zen.
Of course there are a lot more things they have have in common than they differ on.
Gassho.
Hozan.

ShoshinBuddhadragon

Comments

  • paulysopaulyso usa Veteran

    that's wierd?i might be idiot savant zen guy.sometimes i sit and watch tv doing nothing in my teanage years.now i mind fuck my brain.but learning moderation.

    HozanShoshinlobster
  • JeroenJeroen Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter Netherlands Veteran

    I find it very interesting, the different directions that Buddhism has evolved into over the centuries. Thanks for the article, it’s clarified a few things about how the Zen schools operate in Japan.

    Hozan
  • HozanHozan Veteran

    Shoshin is Zen for Beginners Mind. ??
    @Shoshin

    Shoshin
  • HozanHozan Veteran

  • ShoshinShoshin No one in particular Nowhere Special Veteran

    @Hozan said:
    Shoshin is Zen for Beginners Mind. ??
    @Shoshin

    Bugger!!!....This means I'll have to start all over again ;)

    lobsterHozanKundoyagr
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    Join the club...

  • ShoshinShoshin No one in particular Nowhere Special Veteran
    edited November 2017

    Bugger is Zen for "This too shall pass" ;)

    HozanBuddhadragon
  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran
    edited November 2017

    You don't even want to know what my Mom told me it meant but I don't say it.

    KundoShoshinHozan
  • kandokando northern Ireland Veteran

    @Shoshin said:

    Soto Vs Rinzai

    For a moment I thought it was going to be a Zen Samurai warrior fight... ;):lol:

    So.........

    The Soto approach is to sit around and do absolutely nothing, ( the self gets bore and leaves) whilst the Rinzai approach is to f#*k with ones mind ( the self becomes so confused it eventually packs up and leaves) :) ...

    The end result both commit/lead to partial "Harakiri Egocide (leaving just enough ego to act as a convenient analytic device )...

    _Different strokes (of the Samurai sword) for different (warrior)

    A perfect summation, master, Dogen would be proud! Actually he would probably hit you with a big stick but it's the thought that counts.

    Shoshin
  • kandokando northern Ireland Veteran
    edited June 2018

    Some of the thoughts that count can be found here - have Dogen's Shobogenzo complete - huge file though! sorry about clumsy linking! <3

    Mod note: Fixed!!

    lobster
  • lobsterlobster Crusty Veteran

    The Soto approach is to sit around and do absolutely nothing, (the self gets bore and leaves) whilst the Rinzai approach is to f#*k with ones mind (the self becomes so confused it eventually packs up and leaves) :) ...

    Ay caramba! Perfect summation.

    Attaining 'nothing thought' or no-thought is very skilfull. Most of us ... or maybe just me, sit with 'absolutely everything' including the kitchen sink. Beginner mind? One can but dream of a tamed monkey ... no more bull ...
    http://www.oxherding.com

    The end result both commit/lead to partial "Harakiri Egocide (leaving just enough ego to act as a convenient analytic device)...

    Gruesome. Who will clean up the Rinzai mess? To put it another way,

  • kandokando northern Ireland Veteran

    I ❤ the ten oxen and mods B)

  • Fikus_ReligiosaFikus_Religiosa Russia New

    Dogen called Rinzai sect "the school of koans". You call it "the school of brainf#cking"? :)

  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited August 2018

    @Fikus_Religiosa said:
    Dogen called Rinzai sect "the school of koans". You call it "the school of brainf#cking"? :)

    What is the sound of one brain f#cking....?

    person
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    Haiku and Koan
    Both contain the letter 'K'
    Both tickle the Mind.

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