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Naomi Wolf thinks the Tea Partiers fight Fascism
Here is a very interesting article about how unclear party lines are being drawn in today' s politically charged atmosphere.
http://www.alternet.org/news/146184/naomi_wolf_thinks_the_tea_parties_help_fight_fascism_--_is_she_onto_something_or_in_fantasy_land__
there certainly seems to be something brewing ....maybe a real third party might be viable by the time the next presidential election roles around.
http://www.alternet.org/news/146184/naomi_wolf_thinks_the_tea_parties_help_fight_fascism_--_is_she_onto_something_or_in_fantasy_land__
there certainly seems to be something brewing ....maybe a real third party might be viable by the time the next presidential election roles around.
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Tea Baggers (that name provides me no end of amusement) fight fascism? From what I've seen most of them don't even seem to understand what it is they're railing against. And unfortunately they're being lead by the collar by men like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck who's only interest is in increasing their ratings and filling their pockets.
I think it's interesting that liberals use words like "teabaggers" in a derogatory manner; teabagging being a sexual act performed by homosexuals. Why use that kind of language?
It's clear to me that most of the tea-party people, whether you agree or not, are in favor of lower taxes, smaller government, and less regulation. Whatever your thoughts on them, that hardly constitutes as fascism.
There won't be a third party to come out of this. People have been saying that for decades that one is on the horizon.
ahh, filthy lucre.....
A third party has been tried several times, and most likely the tea party will split up into mostly republicans, but some will go democrat. Now that corporations can contribute directly to campaigns it will be a spending frenzy in 2012, and most likely there will not enough money for a third party to compete. Oh well, I feel like we are headed into a "Brave New World".....
Like all phenomena, this movement is not without causation. How it evolves will ultimately depend upon the relationship between the movement and the broader world.
It's not an exclusively gay thing, it's not a straight thing. And yes, they started out calling themselves that until they started getting made fun of. Personally I find it amusing because I'm just juvenile sometimes. Nice attempt at the "liberal = bad" tactic though.
Did I say it did? No I did not, I basically called them ignorant. I have no inherent problem with someone opposed to such things, I do have a problem when people rail against without understanding what they're railing against.
On this I can agree.
Sources include Wikipedia and school (although in the playground, not lessons).
Palzang
My party is the Sugarleafers and we want a world without....
Who votes sugarleafers and who votes teabaggers?
Love & Peace
Jellybean
That tells me that they are just a thinly veiled attempt at a grassroots campaign by the Republicans. We shall see the Right go "righter" and the Left go "Center" or maybe "super left" if people lose their taste for Tea by the next campaign.
I find it nauseating already that everyone wants to blame the current Administration and immigrants for all of the USA's woes, when in reality average middle income everyday person is to blame. It's hard to look in the mirror and blame yourself because you bought houses you couldn't afford, endorsed undeclared war on the middle east out of media induced fear, allowed BOTH parties to bail out the rich and stick the poor with the bill... and we all seem to buy nonsensical garbage we really don't need on credit...then cry when the bill is due.
America's problem is division, partisanship and selfishness. That is how fascism works. Whip up the people against each other, then steal their rights when they aren't looking.
If there were more Buddhists in the USA maybe we wouldn't be so jacked up!
All the best,
Jellybean
Palzang
AZ just passed a law that allows the police to pull ANYONE over and check their "citizenship papers". If you don't have acceptable state issued or federal issued ID they can arrest you. Does this not sound like East Germany before Perestroika and Glasnost? This is becoming very scary.
fundamental right in the United States is the protection against search and seizures without due process of the law, which includes probable cause. Arizona apparently doesn't believe in fundamental American rights. The Arizona legislature has passed two very un-American, fundamentally flawed laws this week. The first law gives Arizona law enforcement the right to stop ANYONE on the street and demand proof of citizenship or legal immigration status. In other words, everyone must carry their state-issued papers or be subject to arrest. Setting aside the very important consideration that the law is almost explicitly aimed at people with brown skin, creating, in effect (to quote Steve Colbert's show) Juan Crow laws, this has generally been a kind of law associated with totalitarian regimes and as being fundamentally counter to all America stands for. Arizona is abandoning fundamental American values in favor of blatant racism.
The second law gives the power of determining who will appear on the Arizona ballot to the Arizona secretary of state. The power becomes almost unilateral, allowing the Arizona secretary of state the power to largely arbitrarily refuse to put a candidate on the ballot. All states of procedures for getting on the ballot, procedures to challenge someone's ballot status, and procedures for candidates to appeal such challenges. Arizona seems to want to put all of this into the hands of one person, effectively leaving ballot status up to the whim of the Arizona secretary of state. Again, this kind of law is usually associated with corrupt totalitarian regimes and is considered anti-democratic.
rest of the article is here....
http://www.culturekitchen.com/mole333/blog/arizona_abandons_us_constitution_show_us_your_papers
I lived there from '97 - 2008, so I know what it's like. It is a very scary place!
Palzang
I hear you guys! I live here because I can't sell my house now that I bought one...and unemployment is ridiculous around here. I love how we keep approving more developers to build 1000's of new homes when no one is buying them. They're still building....and building....and we are losing value every year! I love it! The rich get richer and the poor/immigrants can eat cake.
@dennis60 Welcome to my nightmare! I need to meditate more lol.
I live in Missouri, and it is pretty conservative. I just stay away from other people as much as possible and when i am around others i rarely bring up politics or religion. Geez, it really sucks not being able to discuss things that matter without the lids being blown off......
That's a cop-out.
People are scared of the growing government powers. They are afraid of socialized heath-care etc. When you label them all as racists you are insulting a lot of people. They have legitimate concerns that should be heard and not demonized.
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Palzang
Where were they? They were being fooled - just like Liberals now.
I just spent time listening to some black Tea Partiers who are offended at your race-baiting accusations. Many did not like the bailouts of GW. I think that was the actual beginning of the movement. Hopefully it carries over to other Republican ideas but I'm worried most Tea Partiers don't really get that big government means Republicans too. I'm hoping that they are starting to. There are some Libertarians mixed in the rallies too. The race of the president is an easy "insult" but not the core agenda. I can tell you that it's not mine, unless you know better and can speak for me too.
So what you are saying is a couple of minorities that gave a soundbite to a camera is all you need to listen to? This is assures you of the purity of the movement. There have been publicized events where members can be clearly calling the President a N#####....if that's not clear then nothing will be in your book.
There are Che shirts and communist flags flying at Democrat rallies. What does that say about all Democrats?
Your quick dismal of the black Tea Partiers is telling. You should personally tell them how wrong they are. I'm sure they would love for you to teach them. I know that I sure feel enlightened now.
What..?
In any event, they're socially retarded and, as said, were calling themselves that until their great great great great grandchildren pulled up The Internets for them and showed them what it actually means and how the world was LOLing at them.
Hmmm. If given a choice, I would rather belong to the group that didn't know what the sexual act of teabagging is.
I'm LOLing that the people who think it is a good thing to be acquainted with.
I do not presume to think I am enlightened, undoubtedly you do from your trite responses to the suffering of others, and the tone you seem to use with anyone that opposes your view. Sorry if I've offended you.
My question to you is: If they can do this to "them" today, can they not do this to you tomorrow? If they can limit their "speech" today because we don't want to listen or we are offended, then can they not "limit" yours tomorrow? Will you endorse this then? Probably not. You will probably run around screaming at the top of your lungs about Tea Parties when they come for you.
Laws that discriminate against any section of society will inevitably erode EVERYONE'S freedom. The government should not make a practice of singling out any one sector of society for discrimination. Mexicans aren't the only "illegals" in America. The northern border routinely catches white Canadians in our country illegally but that's not a big deal because they are white I suppose and don't look scary to retired old people. Oh, the Asians are "invading" the west and northern east coasts "illegally"...nothing on that either...how about the Cubans? They have asylum but float over on garbage...why don't we deport them too...lots of drug dealers come from there I'm told...It's ridiculous. Unless the USA is prepared to look like a prison colony, we are always going to have folks sneaking in.
The Tea Partiers, from what I have seen spend their time talking about personal freedom while endorsing the control and subjugation of anyone "different". That's racist or bigotry. If that is your ilk or your philosophy, then you are responsible for your karma, not me buddy. I have enough to be responsible for.
As for the Che shirts...it's a display of "revolution" against the machine, not an endorsement of communism. You miss the point. What they are saying is "this nobody did it, why can't we?", in a sense of force change. I don't think the majority of people are endorsing Che or violence, they just like the idea of resistance.
Many Tea Partiers are resisting a large, powerful, controlling government. I also think many of those people are just Republicans - but not all.
Libertrians always disagreed with the Patriot Act etc.
I'm in favor of freer borders, I think a swell of immigrants could break the social programs. I agree that it is impossible to control.
The machine is big statist government. That's the power that I fight.
All the best,
Jellybean
If there were more working "joes" out there in Congress, we'd be much better off.
One Nation had a Palinesque leader called Pauline Hanson, charasmatic and populist, also very dangerous.
Australian society is still recovering from the One Nation era.
From Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Nation_(Australia)
Up here in Canada our very own tea party types are stepping up and they have sympathetic ear in the current federal government. This government has a minority in Parliament now, but if they get a majority next round, they will grow in influence. Things like gay marriage that most of us see as a done deal may be re-opened, although its hard to see how they would do it.
The situation in the U.S. is looking scary. Those who despised George Bush just sank into depression after a while. Those who despise Obama will, if it comes down to it, resort to insurrection and terrorism. Some of them are that nuts.
But i've been wrong before with this kind of assumptions.
I predicted that after it had been proved that there were no WMD's and any proof of possible link between al qaeda and Iraq, after it had been obvious that the American government had lied to it's population and attacked Iraq for no reason whatsoever, murdering hundred of thousands of inocent people and causing the death of a number of American soldiers, that the USA population would not re-elect Bush... But they did.
So that day i lost faith that the majority of the American public could actually think.
If the tea party ever get popular in Canada, i will lose faith in the Canadian population as well and i will move to Europe.
... when the did our Tar Sands become the "oil sands", who has a little torture problem in Afganistan, who.....?
All the best
Nickidoodle
why, are you a prude?
You apparently know what it means. Does that mean you're a dirty, evil, demonic sexual deviant not worthy of being associated with now too? Lol
I'm done with this until people quit trying to sanctify or demonify people who took the worst job the world has to offer.
Saying this however there will probably come a day where I get married/civil union whatever :rolleyes::-/
All the best
NickiD
P.S.
However, congratulations on your twentieth aniversary with your wife
As for the tea baggers, I can certainly identify with their anti-government feelings as I am also disgusted with government and how overbloated it is. Ike was right when he warned of the military-industrial complex, but unfortunately no one paid him any heed. The protestors were right when they protested the ugly war in Viet Nam, but again we've forgotten the lessons, which are now being repeated in Iraq and Afghanistan with much the same very predictable results. The oil spill and the mine disaster in West Virginia are other examples of how government turns a blind eye to business practices that are potentially harmful and even catastrophic. Government in the US is more about protecting big business than taking care of its citizens. But what upsets me about the tea baggers is they are just knee-jerk reactionaries for the most part. They have no answers, only complaints, and for the most part even those are bogus. Most of them are quite well off and feel threatened by tax reforms and other governmental reforms that might make their little tax havens go away. Just ask one of the retired tea baggers if they'd be willing to give up their social security (rampant socialism!). Be prepared to duck though if you do. Tea baggers are just into blaming. They don't want to take any responsibility.
What needs changing is the institution of government itself. It has completely lost touch with the people and their needs. The fat cats in Congress only act out of selfish interest, not the best interests of their constituents. Elections are a joke. They've lost any relevance as the results are the products of PR spinners and back room deals rather than any serious consideration of the issues and the candidates. We also need to reintroduce the idea of individual responsibility (responsibility - the ability to respond) and stop blaming everybody and everything for our problems. In short, we need to get real or face the consequences.
Palzang
Unfortunately there is also a Canadian nationalism that easily slides into a nasty anti-americanism, reducing you guys to absurd stereotypes.
What about sending the army to Katrina? and if there are not enough army left in the country, ask other countries to send their army and help out.
He could have easily removed everyone from there in less than 2 weeks.
Actually saving people, rebuilding in less than 1 year etc...
Obama is keeping BP accountable, and will force them to clean their own mess.
Palzang, I agree with you.
Richard, if people can get married when can't they just let anybody. Why do the words heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual even need to exist? You love who you love, deal with it. (I'm not actually ranting to you so much as people in general). As some very wise person here said, "labels give people ownership over you." Heterosexism is also anoying on a more personal note, when parents (especially my mum, my dad knows I'm unsure of my sexuality) presume what my future's going to be like and say I'm interested in some girl when I don't even know if I'm interested in girls at all! *headpalm* sorry about that, I get ranting about personal problems sometimes...
All the best
Nickidoodle
I used wonder "why have gay pride day?" (toronto has a huge gay pride day) Why have those labels? I dont need Hetro pride day. A gay friend replied that this was true, but before getting beyond labels, you need to move from conditioned shame, to pride, and beyond. That was a pretty good response I think.