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@silver said:
I didn't say anything negative about you, I just said as a matter of fact, you were one of the people who got upset - and I realize that it was YESTERDAY. Why do you view it and choose to describe it as me purportedly 'dragging' you back into the convo? I'm not. Sheesh.
I didn't say you did say anything negative. If you're not dragging anyone back into it, why frigging tag us? Don't single two of us out then get indignant when one of us asks you not to. That's just bullshit plain and simple and you know it.
(And yes I'll wear a temporary ban if required for my language)
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silverIn the beginning there was nothing, and then it exploded.USA, Left coast.Veteran
@silver said:
I didn't say anything negative about you, I just said as a matter of fact, you were one of the people who got upset - and I realize that it was YESTERDAY. Why do you view it and choose to describe it as me purportedly 'dragging' you back into the convo? I'm not. Sheesh.
I didn't say you did say anything negative. If you're not dragging anyone back into it, why frigging tag us? Don't single two of us out then get indignant when one of us asks you not to. That's just bullshit plain and simple and you know it.
(And yes I'll wear a temporary ban if required for my language)
You call that tagging? What am I supposed to do, pretend it didn't happen? I don't want to talk to you, is that plain enough for you? I don't mind talking to you, but I just was having a brief convo with @federica about it. IF anything, you're the one who wants their name in neon freakin' lights here. I doubt seriously anyone but you would 'tag' me as being indignant.
@IchLiebte said:
Thanks... but there was a time where my mother was raped in my apartment and I was asleep in my room, but she couldn't fight back because she didn't want me to hear and come out. Self-defense isn't always the solution. The solution is cutting the problem off at the source.
That's literally a crying shame, although I'm unsure why you think self-defense wouldn't have helped her (or anybody else in that position). Its a real puzzler to me. How old were you, if you don't mind me asking? And I have no idea what your idea is of 'cutting the problem off at the source.'
I was 14. She didn't want to make any noise through self-defense because it happened so fast. I mean cut it off at the source by discouraging rape in society, that is, being more socially aware that there are "rapists around every corner", as @Kerome put it. To see someone say that there aren't is a blow to the gut and shows just how in-the-dark men can be about this. Cutting the problem off at the source means teaching men not to rape, teaching them that they don't have a "higher sex drive" that they can do nothing about.
So, I take it the police were of no use, then?
What the schnapps? What kind of retort is that? I had to get ushered out of the ER when she had to get an HIV test. Stop. No. Police are of no use when it comes to rape after the fact. It's not like a robbery where you can get your stuff back. The police can't un-rape my mother, no.
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silverIn the beginning there was nothing, and then it exploded.USA, Left coast.Veteran
@IchLiebte - Sometimes the police are helpful - it depends on where. All the things you seem to be getting mad at me for, is the failures of our communities and our societies. So, are you or are you not a Buddhist aspirant? `
As we all know, peace is generated by word, deed and if one has sufficient dharma sprinkles, presence. It is up to us to make the second and third step. The first always.
What if we are fuelled by raging Dukkha hormones? Painful indignation or anger management issues? Claws growing out of ones head? Answers to:
the usual lobster naughty corner
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federicaSeeker of the clear blue sky...Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubtModerator
It seems very sad to me that in a topic where the discrimination women have to tolerate and fight against in so many socially-interactive areas, is in main discussion, that it's the women who have come to loggerheads.
Unfortunately, a negative experience for a woman, at the hand of a male, purely and simply because she is female, and he can, is something that sadly has a tarnishing effect on a woman's perception and acceptance of men.
I am painfully aware that I need to equalise my views and not become some Valkyrian ardent feminist on a crusade to painfully castrate any human with bollocks.
I have - believe it or not - come to terms with the negative experiences I suffered as a young girl and teenager. I like men. I do, I genuinely love their company. I have a few, chosen close male friends with whom I get along very well, and I flirt with too, in a harmless humorous way.
But as a species, as an "equal and opposite force", the male gender has wreaked havoc, and created a massive division in multiple societies where women are vilified - today. They are stoned and beaten to death. Today. For being raped. Today.
Saudi Arabia - is a huge problem for women. India is a huge problem, for women. Parts of Africa, where genital mutilation is still very much a 'normal practice' is a huge problem for women. Korea is a huge problem for women. The artificial world of Gaming, is a huge problem for women.
I'm sure there are other parts of the world where women are considered on a secondary level (such as divorce and social support), and the list of inane and brainless comments made by commentators, journalists and reporters about women athletes - today, in 2016 - are testimony to the fact that there are a whole load of so-called civilised mind-sets that need a swift kick in the behind. This is absolutely incredible. But it's tragic that it is even necessary.
We shouldn't still be fighting for equal recognition. We shouldn't still be struggling for air, and being told that having an opinion about how we feel we are treated in society, makes us screaming harridans. We should not be in any position to protest about discrimination, because it should by now be over. Done with. Finished. There should BE no need to air, argue, debate, complain, struggle and fight.
But in many ways, we are.
And however subtle or overt, however discreet or open, we need to NOT shut up.
And if we, as individual women, have ever suffered at the hands of a man's domination and force of will, and have been assaulted, violated or dehumanised, we need to forgive that with all our hearts, minds and all the Compassion and kindness we can muster.
But we should never forget it.
Because if we relegate it to history, and let it drop, and give up voicing our injustices, indignation and protest, then prejudice has won.
We remain unequal. we remain second-class. And we remain discriminated against in the most subtle, obvious, open or covert ways.
And I for one am not going to stand for it.
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I didn't say you did say anything negative. If you're not dragging anyone back into it, why frigging tag us? Don't single two of us out then get indignant when one of us asks you not to. That's just bullshit plain and simple and you know it.
(And yes I'll wear a temporary ban if required for my language)
You call that tagging? What am I supposed to do, pretend it didn't happen? I don't want to talk to you, is that plain enough for you? I don't mind talking to you, but I just was having a brief convo with @federica about it. IF anything, you're the one who wants their name in neon freakin' lights here. I doubt seriously anyone but you would 'tag' me as being indignant.
Relax.
So what does make us so special...?
What the schnapps? What kind of retort is that? I had to get ushered out of the ER when she had to get an HIV test. Stop. No. Police are of no use when it comes to rape after the fact. It's not like a robbery where you can get your stuff back. The police can't un-rape my mother, no.
@IchLiebte - Sometimes the police are helpful - it depends on where. All the things you seem to be getting mad at me for, is the failures of our communities and our societies. So, are you or are you not a Buddhist aspirant? `
@silver
It's clear you're quite hopeless, so I'm out of this. Educate yourself and then maybe try having a conversation with me. Peace.
... being temporarily/unintentionally naughty?
Naughty! [I know naughtiness]
As we all know, peace is generated by word, deed and if one has sufficient dharma sprinkles, presence. It is up to us to make the second and third step. The first always.
What if we are fuelled by raging Dukkha hormones? Painful indignation or anger management issues? Claws growing out of ones head? Answers to:
the usual lobster naughty corner
It seems very sad to me that in a topic where the discrimination women have to tolerate and fight against in so many socially-interactive areas, is in main discussion, that it's the women who have come to loggerheads.
Unfortunately, a negative experience for a woman, at the hand of a male, purely and simply because she is female, and he can, is something that sadly has a tarnishing effect on a woman's perception and acceptance of men.
I am painfully aware that I need to equalise my views and not become some Valkyrian ardent feminist on a crusade to painfully castrate any human with bollocks.
I have - believe it or not - come to terms with the negative experiences I suffered as a young girl and teenager. I like men. I do, I genuinely love their company. I have a few, chosen close male friends with whom I get along very well, and I flirt with too, in a harmless humorous way.
But as a species, as an "equal and opposite force", the male gender has wreaked havoc, and created a massive division in multiple societies where women are vilified - today. They are stoned and beaten to death. Today. For being raped. Today.
Saudi Arabia - is a huge problem for women. India is a huge problem, for women. Parts of Africa, where genital mutilation is still very much a 'normal practice' is a huge problem for women. Korea is a huge problem for women. The artificial world of Gaming, is a huge problem for women.
I'm sure there are other parts of the world where women are considered on a secondary level (such as divorce and social support), and the list of inane and brainless comments made by commentators, journalists and reporters about women athletes - today, in 2016 - are testimony to the fact that there are a whole load of so-called civilised mind-sets that need a swift kick in the behind.
This is absolutely incredible. But it's tragic that it is even necessary.
We shouldn't still be fighting for equal recognition. We shouldn't still be struggling for air, and being told that having an opinion about how we feel we are treated in society, makes us screaming harridans. We should not be in any position to protest about discrimination, because it should by now be over. Done with. Finished. There should BE no need to air, argue, debate, complain, struggle and fight.
But in many ways, we are.
And however subtle or overt, however discreet or open, we need to NOT shut up.
And if we, as individual women, have ever suffered at the hands of a man's domination and force of will, and have been assaulted, violated or dehumanised, we need to forgive that with all our hearts, minds and all the Compassion and kindness we can muster.
But we should never forget it.
Because if we relegate it to history, and let it drop, and give up voicing our injustices, indignation and protest, then prejudice has won.
We remain unequal. we remain second-class. And we remain discriminated against in the most subtle, obvious, open or covert ways.
And I for one am not going to stand for it.