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Re: Respecting one’s elders
Cars are enormously beneficial to societal wealth.
There are a few pretty shady car dealers though.
Farming plays a critical role in society's food chain.
But some farmers engage in destructive practices that deplete the soil.
We living humans literally owe our very existence to parents.
Not everyone is good at parenting, though.
The teaching is valid.
That doesn't mean that bad examples can't be found.
Given your experience, the teaching might actually be MORE valuable to you than to others.
If it doesn't show you something outside your existing knowledge, it isn't really teaching, is it?
Steve_B
Re: Respecting one’s elders
Respect for elders is independent of like or dislike, love or hate or indifference. Specifically, respecting your parents, no matter their character or condition, arises from the fact that they are the ones who brought you into this life.
Of course there is more involved, but it is a beginning.
Lionduck
Re: Respecting one’s elders
Western culture is very individualistic, particularly in contrast to Asian cultures. We value going our own way and expressing our uniqueness in ways that more collectivist cultures don't. I'm not an expert, but I think there are more socially enforced norms (as well as the social structures in place to support them) to ensure wiser, more harmonious behavior from elders than our culture may have.
The translation of individual aspects divorced from supporting elements isn't always perfect?
So, I don't know. Take what positive you can get from it, maybe talk to someone there about it and your experience around authority. In the end though it might not be the right fit and another dharma community would work better.
person
Re: karma?
A few thoughts from my limited perspective:
1) Good for you! Following your heart, mind and intuition sounds like a good idea. Find solace and happiness where you can. Is there a better option?
2) Is it heartless and cruel that sometimes a star goes supernova and "dies"? That is it's "karma" based on the natural laws of physics. Similarly, we humans are subject to the same laws of cause and effect, the natural laws of physics as the star, but also less observable and to us less clear ones, such as emotional, moral, physical etc. Causes still produce effects, even if we're not always aware of them. It's good to keep an eye out and try to produce as many positive causes as possible and as few negative ones as possible.
3) I have no recollection of past lives so have no opinion on past-life karma. But I do have recollection of previous "phases" of my life and can very well see both the positive and negative outcomes of some of my actions. That's my understanding of "past-life-karma".
4) Thus have I read, in the final analysis/seeing, even karma is seen through so it is not some kind of ultimate truth or exact science.
marcitko
Re: Just for fun: the random, useless announcements thread!
@Jeroen said:
Wildlife is sometimes closer than you think. Just yesterday a pigeon crashed into my living room window, but it turned out that it was being chased by a hawk. On impact, the hawk killed it and took the corpse into our garden and started devouring it. Feathers everywhere!
It's weird watching stuff like that happen. Like that thing that was just alive is now food.
I was listening to some youtube videos by Ven. Thanissaro and in one I think he said the thing we all have in common is that we are each other's food.
Re: Just for fun: the random, useless announcements thread!
Wildlife is sometimes closer than you think. Just yesterday a pigeon crashed into my living room window, but it turned out that it was being chased by a hawk. On impact, the hawk killed it and took the corpse into our garden and started devouring it. Feathers everywhere!
Jeroen
Re: Clinging to reason and science
@Jeroen said:
Another thing I sometimes struggle with is clinging to reason and science. In my university days I studied mechanical engineering, quite a hardcore subject about efficiency, and before that I was schooled in mathematics and physics. It made me quite a sciencey guy for many years, and lately I have noticed that it is something I often base my views on.And so in the interest of not clinging to views, I have been taking on board more of a “perhaps” kind of attitude for things which are outside the realms of scientific endeavour. For example, the other day my mother sent me an article about Osho’s dentist Devageet, who has been talking about how our teeth are linked to the collective subconscious and carry memories from the Akashic records. Usually the scientist in me would immediately say “Never!” But nowadays the mystic in me prompts me to say more “well, maybe.”
The thing is, I was always very forthright in expressing pro-science opinions, my scientific opinions were very strongly formed. I feel it is a deficiency to carry these kinds of views and not to take in a wider view of Existence.
Which reminds me a bit of the parable of the Chinese farmer
A farmer and his son had a beloved horse who helped the family earn a living. One day, the horse ran away and their neighbours exclaimed, “Your horse ran away, what terrible luck!” The farmer replied, “Maybe so, maybe not.”
A few days later, the horse returned home, leading a few wild horses back to the farm as well. The neighbours shouted out, “Your horse has returned, and brought several horses home with him. What great luck!” The farmer replied, “Maybe so, maybe not.”
Later that week, the farmer’s son was trying to break one of the horses and she threw him to the ground, breaking his leg. The neighbours cried, “Your son broke his leg, what terrible luck!” The farmer replied, “Maybe so, maybe not.”
A few weeks later, soldiers from the national army marched through town, recruiting all boys for the army. They did not take the farmer’s son, because he had a broken leg. The neighbours shouted, “Your boy is spared, what tremendous luck!” To which the farmer replied, “Maybe so, maybe not. We’ll see.”
Shoshin1
Re: Clinging to reason and science
Science is always wrong. No data set is ever complete, conclusions can change with every new data point. There is nothing there to cling to except the tool itself, which, in itself, is of great value.
Fosdick
Re: Living in surrender
Perhaps a better term is acceptance. A sailor does not surrender to nor fight the wind. He accepts the wind which then becomes his friend, enabling him (her if you wish) to sail the ship to the intended harbor.The farmer accepts the rain and sun , the change of seasons, as brothers and sisters, indispensable to a bountiful harvest. Surrender and acceptance may in this circumstance be of similar intent and meaning, Surrender as to surrender to the moment, let it envelope you. Acceptance as to accept the moment, embracing it warmly. Surrender has an often slight nuance of giving up or being overcome. Acceptance has no judgement.
Perhaps this distinction is no more than the wandering thoughts of a warrior mind.
Feel free to chose "Surrender" or "Acceptance" or both in your mind's, your heart's perception.
Peace to all
Lionduck
Re: Respecting one’s elders
It could be that particular lesson wasn't meant for you. I think of podcasts and how I might like a particular speaker or channel but not necessarily every episode. You might need a bigger sample size to decide if the other lessons align.