What meditation? Zen is just sitting. Or is it a half moon to point at?
Jeroen
@Bunks said:
i appreciate that! being forgiven.there is hope.some ladies love idiot funny.it's an art.
Beautiful Autumn morning....The sun is shinning the weather is sweet, makes me wanna move my jolking feet..
Shoshin1
If an invasion like this happened in your country what do you think you would do? Maybe what would you hope you'd do and what do you honestly think you'd do?
In all cases, hide behind the sofa and not get involved. 
lobster
Ah those Ma$ters, giving cour$e$, lecture$, $eminar$.
I have had a number of mentors. I do not have to choose one a all and each are providing priceless lessons and advice. We are equals and everyone is a mentor, even when he/she is unaware of that reality.
Just the ranting of an old geezer.
Peace to all
If you'd like to nurture a spiritual experience, pay no more specific attention to it than you would to anything else. Treat it no differently than any other arising, existing, and departing phenomena. This is largely what a meditation practice is for.
If you want to turn the expansive fluidity of a spiritual experience into a still postcard of a memory, just try to mentally dissect it. It will simply become as sullied as any other arising. existing and departing phenomena that we are unable to meditate with.
All spiritual experiences are little more than the veil of our own obscurations being pulled aside. That obscuration is just the habitual storytelling of our ego/identity or the selfish self. The absence of that obscuration is the fruit of selflessness.
Some reasons for not deliberating on spiritual experiences are...
Monasteries traditionally teach their practitioners to not deliberate on such experiences because such actions are the actual antithesis of what was allowing those experiences to arise in the first place.
All that separates each moment of a spiritual experience from manifesting as enlightenment or as delusion, is your ability to meditatively get yourself out of its way.
The common ego makes us all junkies in relative states of re-hab. Spiritual experiences that can be personified by our ego are like a beckoning source of crystal meth. The only thing that's tough enough to not have the ego indulge within it to some degree, is a meditative practice that trains us how to stop empowering that ego.
All humans suffer under relative states of an innate inadequacy. There is no easy way to talk about a spiritual experience without having many of those who have not had such experiences, feel even more inadequate. If one can not even understand how a discussion on one's spiritual experience can make others suffer, then what does that say about that speaker's understanding of empathy, sympathy, tenderness or compassion for others.
Are they actually speaking from that spiritual experience or from their ego's grasping of it?
Everyone eventually seems to have spiritual experiences in life. Much of a spiritual practice is just our preparation to not fiddle around with it as it passes by. Large or small, singular or many, they have as much potential to enlighten as to delude. Most Sangha are usually littered with the examples of both. 2600 years of history has resulted in most teachers saying that as with any phenomena, its not about whether it arises, exists or departs but is about how we can allow it its own unmolested passage through our sense gates that's actually the important thing.
Is the deliberation of a spiritual experience about a practice of accumulation or a
renunciation?
LOL
Perhaps the guy who just missed his own zoomed sitting while focusing on writing about this, should just pay a little more attention to his own practice.
how
@FleaMarket said:
I did not think you were such a man. I am looking forward to your quotes though so I have no mind waiting.
Ah, yes. I didn't mean to imply that I thought that you thought that I was such a man. I have been told by close family and friends, people I trust dearly, that I have a tendency to come across as "overly severe" when I am disagreeing with something. I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't coming across as if I thought I was "the big cheese," so-to-speak. I'm not "the big cheese." I'm just sour milk.''
Look at me, blatantly a liar. I said that I'd decline further responses. This is just further proof that I'm "sour milk!"

No problem...i prefer to order a Mindar for my personal liturgy