@ Lobster
https://thetattooedbuddha.com/2016/02/09/in-darshan-when-zen-becomes-cult/
was a worthwhile read for me.
All schools have their strengths and weaknesses. This story is a good retelling of one of Zen's potential weaknesses, when inattentive teachers allow their followers to mistake self-effort for right effort, resulting in both teachers & students karmically harming each other with cult-like behaviors.
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The simplest way to test out the effect that a game has on you is to just stop doing it and not substitute the time you would have spent doing it with anything else.
The dis-ease or discomfort that arises from the resulting lack of stimulation can indicate the degree to which that gameplay is actually suffering's cause..
Are we crabs in a cooking pot oblivious to the ever-increasing water temperature?
It is not necessarily the game that is the problem but how we relate to it.
I have long felt that the right "livelihood" of the 8FP's wheel while true, might have been a better support structure for all the other spokes on that wheel if it was re-labeled instead as appropriate "interactions" or relationships.
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@Lostie
The 5 laws of the universe from one Buddhist Mahayana perspective are...
(1) The laws of the physical world. The world is not answerable to one's personal will.
(2) The laws of the organic world - That all things flow. Anicca
(3) The laws of morality - That karma is inexorable.
(4) The laws of the Dharma- That ultimately, evil is vanquished and good prevails.
(5) The laws of the mind - Intuitive knowledge of Buddha Nature occurs to all.
One of the more helpful teachings offered by these 5 laws, is that Karma, while being inexorable, is not the entire arbiter for Buddhists as to why things happen. The 5 laws teaching can soften much of the judgementalism or extremism that can occur whenever students look towards karma for the entire explanation of everything.
Good call @person
but what Chan schools don't claim the 5th patriarch as one of their own?
Is a lineage one of those games where one person gives a message to another who then tell another and the comedy of it all is how different it becomes the more times the story is retold?
Yes, this is all heretical if you're in a devotional practice, and a simple joke when meditation itself is your teacher.
My Rinzai friends say I'm Soto, while my Soto friends call me Rinzai, so Buddha knows where my lineage got misplaced today?
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@DagobahZen said:
I know this is an old thread but any links to Buddhist discord channels worth looking at I'd be grateful for.
Good morning! Here’s a couple of channels based on the Theravadan tradition you could join.
Bunks
@Shoshin1 said:
Thus have I heard.
"Don't practice to 'become' enlightened...Let your practice be the natural expression of your enlightenment"...
This I like, there is more to it than meets the eye. We are already enlightened at heart, we just need to achieve clarity and love and bliss.
Seeking enlightenment is a fool's game...
Seeking can put you in touch with seeds of wisdom, it is not entirely wasted time.
"Paradoxically, it takes time to become who we already are"
Maturity takes time, but not only time. It requires being separated from distracting influences, and it requires being surrounded by enough of that which is wholesome.
Jeroen
@Jeroen said:
It has everything to do with disenchantment — with realising that what games dangle in front of you as a reward is little more than sociological and mythological convention, a thin selection of noughts and ones making up a digital asset of something that has a much richer appearance in your mind. Ultimately you realise there isn’t anything of value in nearly-all games. I added the ‘nearly all’ as a nod to @person’s Dungeons and Dragons game nights.
Understanding what there is of value in games is therefore key. I think it can be broken down into five categories, as follows:
Once these areas lose their hold on you, you may find yourself losing interest rapidly. There are other entertainments, other and better ways of telling stories. Confidence you may find you have enough of. Game mechanics is a very wide area and ultimately devolves into numerical puzzles, and social interaction through games can stay fresh for a long time.
So when I say there isn’t anything of value, I mean in an ultimate sense. You know what they say about the Dhamma — that it is good in the beginning, good in the middle and good at the end. For games there is a slightly different perspective, that games are good for a beginning player, stay fun for a long time, but ultimately you reach a point of being done with them (or you get totally wrapped up in addiction).
That point in the end, when you begin to see through the illusions to the little puzzles the game is made up of, that is where you become disenchanted. The puzzles ultimately have no value to you.
Jeroen

Some conspiracy theorists think this photo has been photoshopped ...but I'm not so sure about that...
Shoshin1
@Jeroen said:
It doesn’t feel to me like I am trying to ‘deny or suppress’ either the analytical engineering side or the games design side of my past, I am merely choosing to reframe them from a spiritual perspective. I’m acknowledging that neither is potentially as healthy as they appear, the analysis is a ‘destructive dry scientific examining method’ and the game design is an ‘entertainer’.
To me this seems like a pretty negative reframing and not necessarily spiritual. There is the technique of looking at the negative aspects of unhealthy desires to reduce cravings. Like bodily fluids or corpses for physical attraction.
I think where I come from is that people have a varying array of innate dispositions, such as introversion/extroversion. Rather than an extrovert framing their disposition in a negative light to help them become more spiritually introspective they'd be better off finding spiritually and meaningful ways of being extroverted as a path. Such as connecting with dharma groups, doing outreach, that sort of thing.
I think you need to look for healthy, spiritually aligned ways to express this longing. For example there are people with psychological backgrounds who use games as a therapeutic method for healing and development of others.
The thing is, this longing for games I am interested in because it energises and motivates me. I watch a video like this Nintendo one and I think “oh wow, that’s cool, look at those awesome ideas”. It literally sparks something inside me, perhaps some dopamine echo.
Which is what my point here is about. Rather than trying to not be analytical, embrace that aspect of yourself and find a healthy, spiritually minded outlet for it. Not for the past but for the present and future.
person
"The Buddha did not force anything on anybody; he merely encouraged awakening, this sense of wake up! pay attention! notice! observe! The teachings of the Buddha are meant for that. They are for investigating reality in the present."
~ Ajahn Sumedho, p311, “Don’t Take Your Life Personally”
Dhammika
Thus have I heard.
"Don't practice to 'become' enlightened...Let your practice be the natural expression of your enlightenment"...
In other words don't seek, just do...
Seeking enlightenment is a fool's game...
We all have Buddha nature...( Buddhas in waiting)
"Paradoxically, it takes time to become who we already are"
Shoshin1